Jumpseat Etiquette Question
06-22-2014 | 04:07 PM
#12
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Your mum
For you guys that don't think you should take the jump just remember the next time it could be your mum trying to get on and "that" guy left her at the gate with the seat up front left wide open. You just have to be smart about it,I only hand over my boarding pass when I know the exact person who is going to be getting it. Especially helpful for FA who don't have the luxury of a jumpseat on a lot of aircraft
06-22-2014 | 04:07 PM
#13
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Should have stopped right there.
Sounds to me like you're confusing non-revving and taking the JS to help another versus company DH and doing the same.
Big difference.
Big difference.
06-22-2014 | 04:27 PM
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Bzzzzzt! HUGE foul.
Your airline contract may vary, but there a so many reasons why this is a bad idea. Just a few:
1. You have a contractual right to a positive space seat for company directed DH. Enough people settle for a JS and now you're having to justify why you need it when it's time to negotiate your next contract.
2. You end up screwing a commuter out of the JS. You don't know how many people the gate agent turns away after you take it or you're already down in the cockpit.
3. You take it, give up your seat to a revenue passenger, they board the jet and a last minute pilot senior to you bumps you off the JS. You think the gate agent is going to kick the pax out of your seat without a fight? Maybe you get to talk to a CP about why you didn't get where the company wanted you IAW your pairing. At the very least you've got one POed pax if you do get your seat back. Or maybe you end up sitting around the terminal waiting on the next flight to your destination.
This was probably the second thing everyone was taught about jumpseating (behind asking the Captain for the privilege and saying "thank you" when you block in).
Your airline contract may vary, but there a so many reasons why this is a bad idea. Just a few:
1. You have a contractual right to a positive space seat for company directed DH. Enough people settle for a JS and now you're having to justify why you need it when it's time to negotiate your next contract.
2. You end up screwing a commuter out of the JS. You don't know how many people the gate agent turns away after you take it or you're already down in the cockpit.
3. You take it, give up your seat to a revenue passenger, they board the jet and a last minute pilot senior to you bumps you off the JS. You think the gate agent is going to kick the pax out of your seat without a fight? Maybe you get to talk to a CP about why you didn't get where the company wanted you IAW your pairing. At the very least you've got one POed pax if you do get your seat back. Or maybe you end up sitting around the terminal waiting on the next flight to your destination.
This was probably the second thing everyone was taught about jumpseating (behind asking the Captain for the privilege and saying "thank you" when you block in).
06-22-2014 | 06:39 PM
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Always give up a cabin seat to jumpseat for other passengers.
Just make sure your not bumping a jumpseating pilot,
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06-22-2014 | 07:23 PM
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I remember jumpseating on Virgin America, SFO to SEA. Plane was full and it was going to be the jump seat. Positive space pilot walks up to the agent and asks if all non-revs got on board, agent says no. He says Ill take the jump to get one on. Agent answered, well they're a couple. So the other positive space guy came up and gave away his seat. What I thought was interesting was that the two guys, whom I had been talking with during the boarding process never looked my way.
I've also had it where a DL guy who booked the jumpseat opted to take a FA jumpseat to allow me the cockpit jumpseat. For the most part I have seen the latter scenario.
I've also had it where a DL guy who booked the jumpseat opted to take a FA jumpseat to allow me the cockpit jumpseat. For the most part I have seen the latter scenario.
06-22-2014 | 07:50 PM
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As others have said, as long as you are not taking a commuters seat, feel free. Unless I plan on sleeping on the flight I will give it up. That means it needs to be a short flight. I have only done it once to allow someone to make it to PIT for Christmas. It was a small sacrifice since I was DHing to the overnight, but I know it made someone’s day.
06-22-2014 | 07:59 PM
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Bzzzzzt! HUGE foul.
Your airline contract may vary, but there a so many reasons why this is a bad idea. Just a few:
1. You have a contractual right to a positive space seat for company directed DH. Enough people settle for a JS and now you're having to justify why you need it when it's time to negotiate your next contract.
2. You end up screwing a commuter out of the JS. You don't know how many people the gate agent turns away after you take it or you're already down in the cockpit.
3. You take it, give up your seat to a revenue passenger, they board the jet and a last minute pilot senior to you bumps you off the JS. You think the gate agent is going to kick the pax out of your seat without a fight? Maybe you get to talk to a CP about why you didn't get where the company wanted you IAW your pairing. At the very least you've got one POed pax if you do get your seat back. Or maybe you end up sitting around the terminal waiting on the next flight to your destination.
This was probably the second thing everyone was taught about jumpseating (behind asking the Captain for the privilege and saying "thank you" when you block in).
Your airline contract may vary, but there a so many reasons why this is a bad idea. Just a few:
1. You have a contractual right to a positive space seat for company directed DH. Enough people settle for a JS and now you're having to justify why you need it when it's time to negotiate your next contract.
2. You end up screwing a commuter out of the JS. You don't know how many people the gate agent turns away after you take it or you're already down in the cockpit.
3. You take it, give up your seat to a revenue passenger, they board the jet and a last minute pilot senior to you bumps you off the JS. You think the gate agent is going to kick the pax out of your seat without a fight? Maybe you get to talk to a CP about why you didn't get where the company wanted you IAW your pairing. At the very least you've got one POed pax if you do get your seat back. Or maybe you end up sitting around the terminal waiting on the next flight to your destination.
This was probably the second thing everyone was taught about jumpseating (behind asking the Captain for the privilege and saying "thank you" when you block in).
Know your contract. Comply with it. Otherwise no. You're POSITIVE SPACE, must ride.
06-22-2014 | 08:09 PM
#20
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I will not blanket refuse to do it, depends on the circumstances.
Bumping a commuter: no
Helping a nonrev: more likely
Helping a rev pax: not quite as likely
DH to start work: less likely
Long flight: less likely
I'm tired and want my seat: no
I'll always run it by the captain too. If he'd rather have his elbow room than an extra pax, so be it.
I'm not going to leave anybody behind just on the principle of the thing. Use common sense.
Our company policy actually allows them to require us to do this on our own iron. But it may result in a fatigue call later on...
Bumping a commuter: no
Helping a nonrev: more likely
Helping a rev pax: not quite as likely
DH to start work: less likely
Long flight: less likely
I'm tired and want my seat: no
I'll always run it by the captain too. If he'd rather have his elbow room than an extra pax, so be it.
I'm not going to leave anybody behind just on the principle of the thing. Use common sense.
Our company policy actually allows them to require us to do this on our own iron. But it may result in a fatigue call later on...
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