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USMCFLYR 07-28-2014 12:07 PM
Originally Posted by Std Deviation (Post 1693782)
The FAA mission to concomitantly "promote" and "regulate" aviation are diametrically opposed philosophies.
I was told that they figured that out some time ago and that those two ideas were separated - mission statement redefined.
The current MISSION STATEMENT does not mention such opposed ideas:
Mission

The only 'promote and regulate' I see any more is to:
"Regulating civil aviation to promote safety"
What we do

They (the gov't) at least recognizes this when it comes specifically to Commercial Space Travel as disclosed in this GAO report:
GAO report number GAO-12-836T
entitled 'Commercial Space Transportation: Industry Trends, Government Challenges, and International Competitiveness Issues' which was released on June 20, 2012.
...suggesting that FAA and Congress must remain vigilant so that potential conflicts in FAA’s safety oversight and industry promotion roles do not occur.
Congress required the 2008 DOT-commissioned report
to discuss whether the federal government should separate the
promotion of commercial human spaceflight from the regulation of such activity.

tom11011 07-28-2014 01:25 PM
Originally Posted by Std Deviation (Post 1693782)
The FAA mission to concomitantly "promote" and "regulate" aviation are diametrically opposed philosophies.
Yes true! Their charter is (was?) flawed. It's funny, way back when there was the CAA which was disbanded and a new FAA was created for many of the same problems with today's FAA.

zondaracer 07-28-2014 03:16 PM
You guys don't give the FAA enough credit. Having dealt with other aviation authorities, the FAA is by far a very efficient organization in comparison.

blaine 07-28-2014 06:03 PM
Originally Posted by beech1980 (Post 1693797)
I was just looking out of curiosity to what Riddle and UND cost.
I was in shock when I saw it! Riddle is 43k a year just for a BS degree. Plus another 60K for flight training. Then you add on room and board and all the other ridiculous fees and charges. Your looking at close to 250K!!
I went to UND in the 90"s and I think it ran about 65k. For same degree and training that you get at Riddle it's about 150k... UND is a bargain if you can get reciprocity,it might knock another 20k off. If you put these figures in front of a 17-18 year old kid they might think twice about it. I know I'm not paying for my son to do this, and i'm definitely not co- signing a loan...
It should be illegal for someone to spend 250k to make 22k first year and at some regionals not more than 35k as an FO. That was eye opening.

$250K??? Put down the weed man. Where did you come up with your numbers? lmao

tom11011 07-28-2014 06:09 PM
Originally Posted by blaine (Post 1694138)
$250K??? Put down the weed man. Where did you come up with your numbers? lmao
Tuition Cost of Embry-Riddle Prescott Campus | Prescott, Arizona | Embry-Riddle

skypilot35 07-28-2014 06:40 PM
Originally Posted by blaine (Post 1694138)
$250K??? Put down the weed man. Where did you come up with your numbers? lmao
His numbers are right on. :rolleyes:

900ss 07-28-2014 08:10 PM
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You guys all need to go get a hobby outside of aviation and the internet......good lord.....
I feel bad for your spouses......

I just love going on 4-day trips and talking about contracts and negotiations and commuting and hiring and blah blah blah.......

my own fault......

so whens that van time??.....

Twin Wasp 07-28-2014 09:24 PM
Originally Posted by Std Deviation (Post 1693782)
The FAA mission to concomitantly "promote" and "regulate" aviation are diametrically opposed philosophies.
Clinton got rid of the "dual mission" in 1996.

FlyingKat 07-28-2014 11:09 PM
Originally Posted by blaine (Post 1694138)
$250K??? Put down the weed man. Where did you come up with your numbers? lmao
Its true. Even the cheapest 4 year aviation degrees are around $150K. The gold plated programs at Riddle and UND can run you as high as $250K. That's why all these numbers are down. You can't get student loans to cover it, plus if you look at an education as a pure investment, the return on other degrees is much higher than aviation. Not very many people are going to borrow this kind of money just to make $20 or $25K right out of school....

FlyingKat 07-28-2014 11:16 PM
Originally Posted by CBreezy (Post 1692946)
I have friends who are in serious debt because of places like Riddle. There is no way those powerhouses are letting their flight programs whither and die. I'd be very surprised if they were denying new loans to them.
Private aviation student loans went away in 2008. During the last furlough binge in 2007, some guys hired sharp bankruptcy lawyers that looked at the terms of Key and Sallie Mae aviation loans that were not government backed. Because the terms were more like private than student loans, bankruptcy judges began to allow them to be discharged like any other debt. Once this happened, Sallie Mae and Key decided they would only issue government guaranteed student loans which limits you to $80,000 for undergrad studies, even with a bump for aviation. That is what caused many of the pilot factories in Florida to collapse in 2008.


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