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I'm pretty sure it will be foreigners. But there is a supply of trust fund babies in this country that will surely jump on this band wagon; eyes wide shut.

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Originally Posted by Std Deviation (Post 1695425)

Conveniently missing is who is going to pay for the $100,000-150,000 program.

Foreign governments who need pilots. The pilot will be an indentured servant for 10+ years. Win-Win! What does concern me is if Boeing, Jeppesen, (John and Martha King!), et al. get on the bandwagon and push for MPL in the US. They have a lot of weight. Also, I can foresee some sort of govt grant or loan scheme administered by Boeing. As Air Force orders drop for their planes, they need to find some way to get the govt. milk.

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Originally Posted by Std Deviation (Post 1695425)

Conveniently missing is who is going to pay for the $100,000-150,000 program.

Probably, a number of training events come free with aircraft purchase.

In other countries is this the only way one can get into an airliner? By getting a MPL license?

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Originally Posted by Beech90 (Post 1695474)

In other countries is this the only way one can get into an airliner? By getting a MPL license?

I think it has pretty much become the std. 250 hour commercial license followed by sim time and a lot of ground school. Other countries don't have extensive GA and 135 operations (we don't have them anymore either!), so this is what ICAO have come up. AirBus also was way ahead of this by designing airplanes made to be flown by low time pilots.

Interesting. Boeing wants other countries to issue ATP certificates with less hours than the US issues commercial certificates.

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Originally Posted by Twin Wasp (Post 1695144)

As pointed out, ATP/Higher Power say their program will cost $4999 and they're making a profit on that figure. And if you think an airline spends 100k training a new hire you need to come down to earth.

oh yeah ok. 20k for the type. but i gurantee you there is more than that being put into you from sim time paying the check airman to do the ioe. its not a clean cut figure that its just 20k. probably not 100k either. the short answer is it aint cheap

Flying Daddy's airplane is very cost effective.

well aware of that fact. at least all the money i make as a pilot will be all profit instead of paying off debt. ^^

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Originally Posted by Beech90 (Post 1695474)

In other countries is this the only way one can get into an airliner? By getting a MPL license?

In other countries where MPL is employed, it is the exception, not the rule. The MPL pilot's skill level is supposedly on par with a CPL license holder who also did a type rating on FAR/CS25 aircraft, but a lot less time in airplanes and much more time in simulators. MPL holders cannot exercise single engine or multi engine privileges (outside of their type rating). MPL holders are restricted to flying aircraft for one certificate holder and can't switch companies until they have gained an ATPL. Lufthansa found this to be a limitation since they operate multiple certificates and had no flexibility to put their MPL pilots in other certificates and reverted back to the CPL path.

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Originally Posted by FlyJSH (Post 1694956)

I don't buy lotto tickets either.

ROTC is fine. Actually AFROTC worked out great for a couple friends in the 80s when the AF gave out too many full rides. At graduation, they were given the option of NOT going active because there were too many officers already.

Or there is the enlisted route. With Tuition Assistance, good planning, and persistence in a six year hitch a guy could get out with a BS for next to nothing...... And after getting out, the GI Bill could cover about half of his flight training at a less expensive 141 school. An 18yo kid could get out at 24 with a degree, Comm ASEL/AMEL, and CFI with zero debt if he saved a few bucks while on duty and had a part time job during flight school. Instruct for a year, fly a Caravan or Navajo for a year, move up to a King Air (preferably with glass), and then a Brasilia. Now he is about 28, zero debt, great experience, and can be pretty picky about where he goes next: corporate, charter, fractional, regional, or (if he really works the job fairs, etc) maybe even mainline.

But it takes work, planning, and sacrifice.

Or just get a bunch of loans and be in debt forever because it is easier.

Disclosure: that enlisted route was almost exactly the one I took. CFIIs were more in demand and I took a signature loan of $2000 (about 20 hours of Instructor pay) to finish up. Loan was paid well before I quit instructing, and I haven't eaten ramen since ;)

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