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deltajuliet 07-29-2014 10:02 PM

How much of that new ATP sim stuff can be incorporated into the regionals' normal new-hire sim sessions? I wonder if it can all be integrated with very little extra classroom/simulator time, or if it's going to break the bank at the regionals.

FlyingKat 07-29-2014 10:06 PM


Originally Posted by word302 (Post 1695069)
You only need a degree to meet the restricted time requirements. If you have 1500 hours and meet the other time requirements, there is no requirement for a degree or military time. You may want to go read the reg again.

I was discussing the restricted reg requirements. You might want to read it again, because there are increased requirements for instrument time and cross country time if you don't have the Pro Pilot degree. They have made getting the ATP more difficult for those without the Pro Pilot Degree.

FlyingKat 07-29-2014 10:11 PM


Originally Posted by word302 (Post 1695072)
This.

And the sim time is only required to take the written. The flight can still be done in a Seminole if you so choose.

What part of you are required to fly 6 hours in a full motion FTD that simulates a turbine aircraft did you miss? Plus you have to have another 4 hours in either an FTD or GFS?

Doesn't matter that is required for the written or practical, you still have to have the sim time. So you can no longer just study a book, take the written and head to the FBO to fly the Seminole. Those days are over.

FlyingKat 07-29-2014 10:13 PM


Originally Posted by deltajuliet (Post 1695082)
How much of that new ATP sim stuff can be incorporated into the regionals' normal new-hire sim sessions? I wonder if it can all be integrated with very little extra classroom/simulator time, or if it's going to break the bank at the regionals.

The training programs are being rewritten to include this now, and it is going to be a pain in the neck but everyone will have to deal with it.

ClarenceOver 07-29-2014 10:14 PM


Originally Posted by deltajuliet (Post 1695082)
How much of that new ATP sim stuff can be incorporated into the regionals' normal new-hire sim sessions? I wonder if it can all be integrated with very little extra classroom/simulator time, or if it's going to break the bank at the regionals.

40kmtow or more. so almost all regionals

ClarenceOver 07-29-2014 10:15 PM


Originally Posted by FlyingKat (Post 1695086)
The training programs are being rewritten to include this now, and it is going to be a pain in the neck but everyone will have to deal with it.

hopefully this will raise pay and make airline pilots more valuable.

FlyingKat 07-29-2014 10:16 PM


Originally Posted by ClarenceOver (Post 1695081)
if you went military you probably dont have money. and you are paying your dues with time in the service. if you can afford a pilot degree for 200 freaking k or however much it is. its stupid how much cheaper it is to just get the 1500 hours instead

First it is going to be much harder to build that 1500 in the future than it used to be. A lot of those time building jobs have been slowly going away, and regional airlines are working on agreements with 135 carriers and flight schools to send Pro Pilot graduates to these companies to build time.

FlyingKat 07-29-2014 10:17 PM


Originally Posted by ClarenceOver (Post 1695089)
hopefully this will raise pay and make airline pilots more valuable.

Hopefully but we'll see. All this is why you see Rev Bedford and his ilk having a meltdown over these new regs. It makes it much more difficult to get into this profession, and makes an ATP very valuable.

word302 07-29-2014 10:29 PM


Originally Posted by FlyingKat (Post 1695083)
I was discussing the restricted reg requirements. You might want to read it again, because there are increased requirements for instrument time and cross country time if you don't have the Pro Pilot degree. They have made getting the ATP more difficult for those without the Pro Pilot Degree.

Then you should have been more clear. You specifically said you needed a pro pilot degree or military time to get hired.

The cross country and instrument requirements have not changed in years for the unrestricted atp.

You do not need a college degree to get a restricted atp. If you are under 23 or don't have the cross country time, you can get a restricted atp with 1500tt. The college degree or military time only affects the total time requirement.

Anything else?

word302 07-29-2014 10:32 PM


Originally Posted by FlyingKat (Post 1695085)
What part of you are required to fly 6 hours in a full motion FTD that simulates a turbine aircraft did you miss? Plus you have to have another 4 hours in either an FTD or GFS?

Doesn't matter that is required for the written or practical, you still have to have the sim time. So you can no longer just study a book, take the written and head to the FBO to fly the Seminole. Those days are over.

Again you are arguing semantics. I simply said the checkride did not have to be done in the sim.

The CTP has nothing to do with the checkride. It is a hoop to jump through to take the written.

By the way, ATP is already advertising the CTP for 5k. Not that I advocate for dumping any more money to this profession, just pointing out that plenty will go this route. Checkride still done in a Seminole.


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