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Old 07-30-2014, 04:06 PM
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Originally Posted by eaglefly View Post
Yup, the author of that article doesn't get it. He's got the same disease as the rest of the industry. A plane isn't going to solve this problem and "higher salaries" is a subjective term. The fact is, it's clear the number of 18-22 year olds going to college and starting their adult professional journey simply can't negotiate the extra cost involved to get to a regional airline and that's not the 1500 hour issue as the majority of that final 1200 or so hours are usually not part of the financial output and are actually paying positions, albeit feebly. The parents of potential future airline pilots cannot justify an extra $50-60,000 ABOVE college tuition for the first 300 hours of training especially for the pathetic compensation and even worse treatment by unsympathetic aerial sweatshop operations which encompasses most, if not virtually all the regional carriers. The word is out and reality is here. Band-aids are a waste of time and at this point the "crisis" is more like 18 months at most.

Expect service to start to contract to smaller cities and medium cities will see a reduction in service. If they aggressively addressed the problem today, it would still take several years to BEGIN to correct the problem. They're screwed. They f-ed up and many in these managements STILL underestimate the severity of this impending disaster. The tsunami is getting closer to the beach and volleyball and beer drinking are still in play. When the wave truly hits, there will be screaming and panic just like a real tsunami. At this point, the wave will just have to hit and then the reaction will occur. A proactive approach would have been FAR cheaper in the long run. I've counseled several aspiring airline pilots away from this industry and all have been successful in other areas, some non-aviation. They've all got Private licenses (some with instrument ratings), but are financially viable in their mid-20's to early 30's minus another $50K in debt. Their salaries allow for actual fairly rapid payment of what education debt a few of them have, instead of spinning your wheels in perpetuity, a slave to something you're really not gaining on.
Very well put. And to add to that, it is too late. It will take an average of 3 to 5 years for a new student to go from zero to hero with 1500 hrs, and that's if they fly / train full time. The last time I stuck my head into a flight school / academy / aviation college classroom was about 4 to 5 years ago. And at that point, the draw down of US students was in full swing. There where only about 1 or 2 American students per 10 to 15 Chinese, and or Indian students. The foreign students are about all that's keeping most 141 schools alive today, and they aren't training to fly here. If they threw $50K / yr starting salaries and subsidized training cost on the table TODAY (which they have not), it would still not get new warm bodies into the right seat of a regional for another 5 years or so. It might dry up the CFI ranks, as they come over, but how many of them are out there? And who's going to train the next breed? It may also bring some of the ex-pats back, but not all. All that would do is slow the bleed, but not enough. And again, they have NOT taken that step yet. It's too late now. Time is on our side. We are an ever increasing commodity. The trick is getting airline managers to admit it.
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Old 07-30-2014, 04:20 PM
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The airlines' ace in the hole is the govt. The govt. will not allow air service to collapse. All it takes is an "executive order"--and these are growing more and more common, to adopt MPL, allow govt. loans, or delegate training to someone like Boeing (who is already getting in the business.) Reagan fired all the Air Traffic Controllers and replaced with military, govt. could do same. There will be pain, undoubtedly, but the airlines aren't going to suffer. So they will just wait it out to see who will cry uncle. The travelling public will scream bloody murder when that wave hits, the govt. will be paying the cost of clean-up, the airlines will profit.
Nailed it! As soon as they have nowhere else to go but increase wages the government will swoop in and bail them out somehow, not sure how but they will find a way.
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Old 07-30-2014, 04:22 PM
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Nailed it! As soon as they have nowhere else to go but increase wages the government will swoop in and bail them out somehow, not sure how but they will find a way.
How much tinfoil do you guys own?
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Old 07-30-2014, 07:06 PM
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Just found this (related to increased demand for pilots) forecast:
Boeing forecasts huge need for pilots over next 2 decades | Business & Technology | The Seattle Times
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An executive order addressing pilot certification would be in direct contradiction of a law. It would not stand up in court.

Air Traffic Controllers are government employees. The government can fire whoever they want. Several states have followed suit by eliminating collective bargaining for government employees.
How many unconstitutional acts have the past 2 presidents gotten away with? No ne is going to jail over Fast and Furious. I don't think courts are working for the people that much any more.

The president could get around claims of exceeding his authority by claiming this is an ICAO matter, therefore trade related. MPL is an ICAO standard. Fast track trade power allows the president to negotiate trade deals. Congress must approve, BUT if things get that bad, they will. The president could also declare some sort of emergency and draft military pilots into aircraft.

Can you for a moment imagine any president letting air travel collapse or even be seriously curtailed in the US? What kind of legacy would that president have. You know they are all concerned about their legacy and presidential library.
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