Truth is no one(on this site) knows who is really cheaper and who isn't.

PSA has been told over and over and over that our 200 leases are "dirt cheap" and that they would continue to make money even if fuel rose sharply.

What does that mean? Who knows.

We can sit here and say "I'm cheaper"....."No! I'm cheaper!" when the fact is neither of you have any idea what the real cost is.

You do realize that.....right?

I suppose that is what this website is all about though.

This represents a typical conversation in a PSA cockpit, does it not?

I know we bumped heads jt8d but that's pretty funny! Darn it Pagey, left yourself wide open for that one!

Dunkin welcome aboard. And I meant ship sailed as in if you get hired now, you will not upgrade in a year or two like many believes. Maybe 3-4 which is still awesome considering most of the recent upgrades were at 5-7 year mark. Of corse now it's down to 2.5 or less!

I've tried to semi retire from the PSA discussion.

I no longer respond to jt8d because he is irrational at best and full on psycho most likely.

Everyone on here argues until they are red in the face when in reality no one has any clue what they are talking about. Myself included.

Any time you present a logical, thought out post filled with facts everyone goes away for a couple days like it never happened because it's easier to just shout "backstabber" "scab" blah blah.

Unless it can be quoted from a contract, or leasing agreement etc. it's all speculation and mud slinging.

Nothing I've said is irrational. You conveniently turn a blind eye to any fact which is unsavory to your palette. It's called "living in a false reality".

I don't turn a blind eye to anything. In fact when people used to ask me questions I would tell them the good side, and the bad side, every time. I'm not trying to push an agenda or put anyone down. I post facts.

Almost every one of your posts is filled with name calling, insults etc. I consider that irrational because it's not possible to have an intelligent conversation with you. Once facts are presented you say something like "clowns" "backstabbers" "coward" "blowhard" "idiot" "btiches" and then conveniently disappear.

You once likened PSA to slave traders.

You are not a rational person. You are consistently offensively abrasive, and you bring nothing of value to any discussion.

I told myself I wasn't going to respond to you anymore, or any PSA talk in general unless it was someone asking a genuine question.

I made a mistake. I'll go back to ignoring it all now.

You left out the next sentence, "what other concessions can we take to help management hose other pilot groups"...:eek:

If you dread such a comparison as much as you purport to, perhaps you shouldn't be supporting the actions of your fellow PSA'ers in selling your industry-wide colleagues down river.

Nothing irrational about that.

You are the one who cannot comprehend the repercussions of the PSA TA being ratified. 12/4 would be thing of the past now if you all had turned it down with the rest of us.

Now it's here to stay.

I can tell you people this until I am blue in the face, but it's still "Hey, our contract is great", " I wonder when envoy -700's will show up here", "We did what was best for us". It's almost all I, I, I me, me, me.

Like it or not, the vast majority of regional airline pilots will agree with me.

As far as the adjectives I've used, I've just explained RATIONALLY why the shoe fits. But you'll never understand that fact.

It means you volunteered for a pay cut you didn't have to take.