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FaceBiter 09-04-2014 09:17 PM


Originally Posted by pagey (Post 1720071)
You are going to remove a non-revenue passenger from your(your captain's) acft?

That should go over well with the company.


He paid da cost to be the boss, just like snoop dawg said.

JT8D 09-04-2014 09:19 PM


Originally Posted by pagey (Post 1720071)
You are going to remove a non-revenue passenger from your(your captain's) acft?

That should go over well with the company.

Miss me or something? You just can't stay away, can you?

Paid2fly 09-04-2014 09:19 PM


Originally Posted by AVIATOR3 (Post 1720052)
I don't work as a pilot at a regional, as a matter of fact I'm only a fresh commercial pilot. But I did work in station management for a long time, and nothing good came from denying jumpseats.

The envoy pilots will one day need a PSA jumpseat, there is probably Envoy crews that use PSA at this very moment to go home and see their families.

Also think of newly hired Envoy and PSA pilots who have no bone in the fight because they are brand new to the industry. Are they at fault too? Of course not, people need to go home, and see their families, why would you take that away from someone?





Of course they're at fault, they chose to help crew the undercutters at PSA that voted for concessions when everyone else(at Envoy, Silver, Expressjet, and Republic) was voting NO to stop the profession's decline!

skyxbomb 09-04-2014 09:19 PM


Originally Posted by PilotCrusader (Post 1720060)
It's not obvious? I work for the company you screwed over. I work for the company that has such a great name, they made YOU put it on the side of your plane instead of your crappy name. The real sad part is when one of your substandard hires makes CA, and forms a whole substandard crew, and puts one in the dirt, the media will associate us all the same. Rest assured, it will happen.

I have been at Eagle for 20+ years. PSA is not the first selfish airline I have seen in my time. Nothing I enjoy more than looking each one of you in the eye and saying "no jumpseat available for PSA". So yeah.. I am Captain tough guy you selfish little stain on the industry.

You've been at eagle for 20 plus years and you're really going to say eagle has a squeaky clean record? Maybe you're getting senile. Time to hang up the hat for good captain... And what are you doing at eagle for 20 plus years??! Oh, majors didn't take community college third string QB that was hit in the head one too many times? Don't worry you'll flow soon!

AVIATOR3 09-04-2014 09:22 PM


Originally Posted by JT8D (Post 1720064)
We can check that in RES and know you're coming before you show your scumbag heads. Nice try, figure out a new tactic on the walk home.

1. This is not on your flight release.

2. This is only given to the flight attendants.

3. I will like to see you take the time to check the flight attendants paperwork for PSA nonrevs. It wont show you, it will only show priority.

4. Gate agent has to clear nonrev's under priority.

5. The captain does not have a say If a non-rev gets cleared for a seat or not. Only if it affects safety. (good luck coming up with that one)

6. Flight benefits are under contractual agreements, you my friend have no right to deny a seat in the back. Only If it affects safety.

7. You delay a flight for a stupid issue like this, any manager will have you in their office first thing the next morning.

Source: Gate Manager for 8 years.

pagey 09-04-2014 09:22 PM


Originally Posted by JT8D (Post 1720074)
Miss me or something? You just can't stay away, can you?

Nothing but love man :D

This one has nothing to do specifically with PSA per se so I figured I'd make a cameo.

Removing a non-revenue passenger "just because" will not be looked up favorably.

We don't need to be a "jumpseater" anymore to ride on eagle or legacy AA.

skyxbomb 09-04-2014 09:25 PM


Originally Posted by Paid2fly (Post 1720075)
Of course they're at fault, they chose to help crew the undercutters at PSA that voted for concessions when everyone else(at Envoy, Silver, Expressjet, and Republic) was voting NO to stop the profession's decline!

So where has that gotten the above mentioned airlines? Serious question.

They'll be in negotiations for 2-3 more years and still won't get close to PSA's QOL and pay. Who wins then? Definitely not the pilots. You're welcome for raising the bar.

JT8D 09-04-2014 09:28 PM


Originally Posted by AVIATOR3 (Post 1720079)
1. This is not on your flight release.

2. This is only given to the flight attendants.

3. I will like to see you take the time to check the flight attendants paperwork for PSA nonrevs. It wont show you, it will only show priority.

4. Gate agent has to clear nonrev's under priority.

5. The captain does not have a say If a non-rev gets cleared for a seat or not. Only if it affects safety. (good luck coming up with that one)

6. Flight benefits are under contractual agreements, you my friend have no right to deny a seat in the back. Only If it affects safety.

7. You delay a flight for a stupid issue like this, any manager will have you in their office first thing the next morning.

Source: Gate Manager for 8 years.

Obviously not a gate agent who knew how to use SABRE very well. And obviously not a pilot who uses all available resources within the realm of of procedural guidelines and legalities very well.

Paid2fly 09-04-2014 09:29 PM


Originally Posted by skyxbomb (Post 1720082)
So where has that gotten the above mentioned airlines? Serious question.

They'll be in negotiations for 2-3 more years and still won't get close to PSA's QOL and pay. Who wins then? Definitely not the pilots. You're welcome for raising the bar.






"Raising the bar"? You're either high, or proof that any idiot can and will get hired at PSA so they'll vote yes for every concession management dreams up.

skyxbomb 09-04-2014 09:30 PM

It's a common courtesy to say hi to the crew and ask for permission. Don't let these dorks online change that. You always want to show appreciation if not riding on your own metal. If the captain denies you, then say thanks for your time and get on the next flight to work or home. Contact your jumpseat committee. Most eagle pilots aren't stupid enough to start a jumpseat war but there are a few exceptions. Neither are PSA pilots stupid enough to retaliate due to one or two denials which I have yet to hear about.


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