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Firsttimeflyer 09-21-2014 04:12 PM

No pilot shortage. There is a pay shortage.

galaxy flyer 09-21-2014 04:13 PM

Takes two to tango, why did you take those wages?

GF

Moonbeam 09-21-2014 04:19 PM

A year ago Bedford was claiming there would be a surplus of 3,000 pilots.

Regional Airlines' Pilot Shortage is Heading Toward the Perfect Storm ? Skift

Even Kit Darby agrees! Quotes by both are near the end. You have to agree with what they say because it does seem swapping 50 seaters for 70 is what is really going on..

Slick111 09-21-2014 04:23 PM


Originally Posted by bababouey (Post 1731634)
I'm new to the industry, what does he mean when he said they tried to increase FO pay and the pilots said no?

It means he wanted to pay NEW HIRE pilots more than he had been paying them, simply to get them in the door. There were no meaningful increases for the rest of the pilots who were already trapped there.

Anybody with half a brain should know that Rev. Bedford's statement about 'trying to pay his pilots more, but they said no' doesn't pass the smell test. That's because it's a half-truth,.....or a I like to refer to half-truths,.....a lie.

He wanted to pay just enough to make it easier for HIM!,......... because it's all about HIM.

Cwils36 09-21-2014 05:24 PM

This caught my eye from JO, there's no way this is accurate.

"Its first officers average $45,000 a year and its captains $96,000"

Also this was just a moronic statement;
"In colorful words, Ornstein blamed Washington, and particularly Congress, for the current pilot situation, noting that young American pilots are going to Europe to fly where 250 hours in the right seat is not a problem. “There is no correlation to safety,” he said of the FAA’s 1,500-hour rule. Without change, the regionals are in trouble, “I’m afraid the whole industry dries up,” he said. That will have an effect on aircraft makers Bombardier and Embraer as well, he added"

Saabs 09-21-2014 05:40 PM

I've heard republic was having trouble getting q pilots but not for the jet. Any trouble filling the e jets?

GlobeTreker 09-21-2014 06:45 PM


Originally Posted by galaxy flyer (Post 1731681)
Globe trekker,

Pay is going up rapidly in 91 ops in the bigger cities. Jobs open, offers consist of, "give me a number, please."

GF

I applied for a few corporate jet jobs. I interviewed with a company offering 70k to 90k for a Legacy captain. I told them thanks but no thanks. I make more than that at my lowly regional. I wouldn't mind a part 91 or 135 gig. The money would have to be right and I also don't feel like job hunting every 2 or 3 years. I know there are good giggs out there. They just seem even more elusive than a major airline job.

ClarenceOver 09-21-2014 07:26 PM


Originally Posted by Cwils36 (Post 1731752)
This caught my eye from JO, there's no way this is accurate.

"Its first officers average $45,000 a year and its captains $96,000"

Also this was just a moronic statement;
"In colorful words, Ornstein blamed Washington, and particularly Congress, for the current pilot situation, noting that young American pilots are going to Europe to fly where 250 hours in the right seat is not a problem. “There is no correlation to safety,” he said of the FAA’s 1,500-hour rule. Without change, the regionals are in trouble, “I’m afraid the whole industry dries up,” he said. That will have an effect on aircraft makers Bombardier and Embraer as well, he added"

Does he need to be reminded of the 14 writtens you have to take become JAA and if you fail them more than 6 times any one of them you get to restart all over? passing requires an 85.

griff312 09-21-2014 07:46 PM


Originally Posted by Cwils36 (Post 1731752)
This caught my eye from JO, there's no way this is accurate.

"Its first officers average $45,000 a year and its captains $96,000"

Also this was just a moronic statement;
"In colorful words, Ornstein blamed Washington, and particularly Congress, for the current pilot situation, noting that young American pilots are going to Europe to fly where 250 hours in the right seat is not a problem. “There is no correlation to safety,” he said of the FAA’s 1,500-hour rule. Without change, the regionals are in trouble, “I’m afraid the whole industry dries up,” he said. That will have an effect on aircraft makers Bombardier and Embraer as well, he added"

Let's not forget that many of these regional airline CEO's, along with the RAA HELPED CRAFT THE NEW 1500 hr RULE! They also knew well in advance (years) when the 1500 hr rule, as well as the 117 rules were coming. Yet they sat Idly by and did nothing to prepare for it.

Iron Maiden 09-22-2014 06:39 PM

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