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Dan64456 09-28-2014 06:26 AM


Originally Posted by Saabs (Post 1731760)
I've heard republic was having trouble getting q pilots but not for the jet. Any trouble filling the e jets?

Aren't they supposed to sell off the Dash's in 2016? Also they are based in EWR correct? Property taxes/COL there is way too high esp for being a crap hole area.

mike734 09-28-2014 07:59 AM

I still can't get my head around one basic question. Would the worst regionals have trouble finding pilots if the pay at the best majors doubled? Think about it.

The higher the pay and benefits at the big five the lower it can be at the rest. I heard JO say as much in a conversation I had with him many years ago. He will always believe it.

ClickClickBoom 09-28-2014 11:55 AM


Originally Posted by mike734 (Post 1735996)
I still can't get my head around one basic question. Would the worst regionals have trouble finding pilots if the pay at the best majors doubled? Think about it.

The higher the pay and benefits at the big five the lower it can be at the rest. I heard JO say as much in a conversation I had with him many years ago. He will always believe it.

That's the basic flaw in the current model. But who can afford 5-7 years at regional F/O pay, then a 3-5 at regional captain pay, to then go to a major at even or lower pay. I sit next to guys who are in the 3-6 year range and are close to BK. Student loans are not deferrable for 8-12 years so the choke point is truly at the regionals. Who can afford 60-100K in student loans for a 20K job?
The model is broken and with a 10+ year deferred gratification goal line how many can! want and/or will sign on for the ride. It's gotten to be a bad investment.

Paid2fly 09-28-2014 12:17 PM


Originally Posted by mike734 (Post 1735996)
I still can't get my head around one basic question. Would the worst regionals have trouble finding pilots if the pay at the best majors doubled? Think about it.

The higher the pay and benefits at the big five the lower it can be at the rest. I heard JO say as much in a conversation I had with him many years ago. He will always believe it.





He'd stop "believing it", if people would finally stop lining his pocket by going to work for his and other bottom feeders! If he couldn't staff the flying, he'd have no other choice than to actually raise pay, benefits, work rules, and treatment of his employees!

mike734 09-29-2014 08:43 AM


Originally Posted by Paid2fly (Post 1736127)
He'd stop "believing it", if people would finally stop lining his pocket by going to work for his and other bottom feeders! If he couldn't staff the flying, he'd have no other choice than to actually raise pay, benefits, work rules, and treatment of his employees!

Right, but until that happens he'll just keep getting the latest greatest Porsche delivered to the corporate office every few years, to show all his underlings, just like he did at WestAir back in ~1992. He is a jerk extrodinair. A zebra can't change their stripes.

bozobigtop 09-29-2014 11:35 AM


Originally Posted by mike734 (Post 1736602)
Right, but until that happens he'll just keep getting the latest greatest Porsche delivered to the corporate office every few years, to show all his underlings, just like he did at WestAir back in ~1992. He is a jerk extrodinair. A zebra can't change their stripes.

JO tells you to your face he plans to screw you whereas Risley was sneaky at screwing you! Either way it hurts.

galaxy flyer 09-29-2014 03:17 PM


Originally Posted by mike734 (Post 1735996)
I still can't get my head around one basic question. Would the worst regionals have trouble finding pilots if the pay at the best majors doubled? Think about it.

The higher the pay and benefits at the big five the lower it can be at the rest. I heard JO say as much in a conversation I had with him many years ago. He will always believe it.

This, exactly. ECON 101.

GF

Avroman 09-30-2014 04:54 AM


Originally Posted by mike734 (Post 1735996)
I still can't get my head around one basic question. Would the worst regionals have trouble finding pilots if the pay at the best majors doubled? Think about it.

The higher the pay and benefits at the big five the lower it can be at the rest. I heard JO say as much in a conversation I had with him many years ago. He will always believe it.

Only if there were a defined (and relatively quick) GUARANTEED path to those major jobs. There is no way to do that today so, well we are where we are.

Std Deviation 09-30-2014 06:40 AM


Originally Posted by ClickClickBoom (Post 1736121)
I sit next to guys who are in the 3-6 year range and are close to BK.

My Envoy net pay from new hire to present (reserve, less than 6 months) averages $700 every two weeks. The only way I can do it (short term) is because I made just shy of six figures the last couple years at FlightSafety. Even the six year pay does not equal to an acceptable lifestyle for a professional pilot.

Beech90 09-30-2014 06:44 AM


Originally Posted by Std Deviation (Post 1737166)
My Envoy net pay from new hire to present (reserve, less than 6 months) averages $700 every two weeks. The only way I can do it (short term) is because I made just shy of six figures the last couple years at FlightSafety. Even the six year pay does not equal to an acceptable lifestyle for a professional pilot.

What was your average per diem a month?


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