ClickClickBoom

That's the basic flaw in the current model. But who can afford 5-7 years at regional F/O pay, then a 3-5 at regional captain pay, to then go to a major at even or lower pay. I sit next to guys who are in the 3-6 year range and are close to BK. Student loans are not deferrable for 8-12 years so the choke point is truly at the regionals. Who can afford 60-100K in student loans for a 20K job?
The model is broken and with a 10+ year deferred gratification goal line how many can! want and/or will sign on for the ride. It's gotten to be a bad investment.

Paid2fly

He'd stop "believing it", if people would finally stop lining his pocket by going to work for his and other bottom feeders! If he couldn't staff the flying, he'd have no other choice than to actually raise pay, benefits, work rules, and treatment of his employees!

mike734

Right, but until that happens he'll just keep getting the latest greatest Porsche delivered to the corporate office every few years, to show all his underlings, just like he did at WestAir back in ~1992. He is a jerk extrodinair. A zebra can't change their stripes.

bozobigtop

JO tells you to your face he plans to screw you whereas Risley was sneaky at screwing you! Either way it hurts.

galaxy flyer

This, exactly. ECON 101.

GF

Avroman

Only if there were a defined (and relatively quick) GUARANTEED path to those major jobs. There is no way to do that today so, well we are where we are.

Std Deviation

My Envoy net pay from new hire to present (reserve, less than 6 months) averages $700 every two weeks. The only way I can do it (short term) is because I made just shy of six figures the last couple years at FlightSafety. Even the six year pay does not equal to an acceptable lifestyle for a professional pilot.

Beech90

What was your average per diem a month?

Std Deviation

About the only per diem I get is from sitting 8 hours of airport standby. Otherwise, the CRJ700 reserves are not getting utilized for multi -day trips - at least in my case, which is the bottom of the list. I typically get one or two rounds out of five days of reserve (after commuting from DFW to ORD). Usually there's a deadhead on the first leg. So, per diem is nearly zero. I also don't have medical taken out - just tax. I will start getting the $25 back from the uniform contribution however. I just paid that off.

Side note - I did get one four day. I considered it lucky until I realized that nobody wanted to fly with the particular captain and kept calling in sick.

I've tried early RAP, late RAP, Proffering, etc. Can't seem to score any descent flight times. Nothing but short legs: DH to CMH then bring the aircraft back, etc.

be76flyer

Ray, Greg, Jim or everyone's always favorite Russian?