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spaaks 10-07-2014 11:42 AM

Delta going back to turboprops? Ha that's funny!!

deltajuliet 10-07-2014 11:50 AM

Sorry, slight detour from the thread topic. That's an Airways PHX contract.

amcnd 10-07-2014 12:00 PM

The way i see it SkyWest has a good staffing bubble with the E120 pilots. And ASA has the XJT pilots to staff all the 9E 200's if needed.. But im guessing 20-30 planes each...

Mesabah 10-07-2014 12:16 PM

I find it ironic that management setup 9E as a revolving door airline, you get the time, then gtfo, and now that they are succeeding in their original 'Endeavor", mgt. is all up in arms about it. Yet, however, fundamentally they changed nothing about how this airline operates, and in most cases made everything worse.

It's like saying, I was going to whip you, and it will be awful, but now that the whip is the one from the Indian Jones movie, you're going to love it.

amcnd 10-07-2014 12:30 PM

The way i see it is they have 9E on a cost nutral base.. The BOD realy doesnt understand why thy cant show them as money making... Because if they do there is no whipsawing the rate reset!! My guess is they know 9E is a short term gap (sorry guys/gals) but history shows Delta uses and discards regionals... Just a mater of time.. Plus Delta wants out of the 200 leases.. They have learned that its a pain to have ASA/SKY/9E hand over a plane then walk away leaving Delta with a bill for storage/return...

Nantonaku 10-07-2014 01:15 PM


Originally Posted by amcnd (Post 1741876)
The way i see it is they have 9E on a cost nutral base.. The BOD realy doesnt understand why thy cant show them as money making... Because if they do there is no whipsawing the rate reset!! My guess is they know 9E is a short term gap (sorry guys/gals) but history shows Delta uses and discards regionals... Just a mater of time.. Plus Delta wants out of the 200 leases.. They have learned that its a pain to have ASA/SKY/9E hand over a plane then walk away leaving Delta with a bill for storage/return...

It is no big surprise Delta wants to get rid of the 200's. As for what the details of the leases are and what happens when they return a plane, do you know the terms of the leases on all the 200's in the Delta fleet? For that matter, I've seen no solid evidence that 9E has anything to do with a rate reset. Didn't someone just post that Skywest is already cheaper than 9E? More to the point, the thread of this title should be "Who will be the unlucky winner of more Delta Flying?" I wouldn't be surprised to see the 200's placed at GoJets only to be placed at 9E 6 months later. That would be par for the course for this industry and Delta/NWA past moves.

Cruz5350 10-07-2014 02:00 PM

I doubt they would go to GoJet. Seems like they want to make this switch happen as fast as possible. LASA and SKW make the most sense since they already operate the 200 and have both MSP and DTW bases. Not excited to see all the shuffling going just chiming in with what I believe is going to happen.

gojo 10-07-2014 02:01 PM


Originally Posted by Nantonaku (Post 1741902)
It is no big surprise Delta wants to get rid of the 200's. As for what the details of the leases are and what happens when they return a plane, do you know the terms of the leases on all the 200's in the Delta fleet? For that matter, I've seen no solid evidence that 9E has anything to do with a rate reset. Didn't someone just post that Skywest is already cheaper than 9E? More to the point, the thread of this title should be "Who will be the unlucky winner of more Delta Flying?" I wouldn't be surprised to see the 200's placed at GoJets only to be placed at 9E 6 months later. That would be par for the course for this industry and Delta/NWA past moves.

It's not only a Delta that wants to get rid of the 200's. Although, they may have set the wheels in motion for other carriers to follow suit. I do tend to agree with the reasons for their unpopularity. And it seems that Skywest is the only one that Likes them. I'm not sure about Air Wisconsin. I do agree with what you say this thread should have been titled. I might even take it a step further and title it "who's going to be unlucky to continue doing contract and work for Delta"? Anyone who does gets beat down to very thin profit margins. You said Delta/NW, I don't think there's any comparison. Maybe that's what you meant

amcnd 10-07-2014 02:31 PM

I know Delta had a deal when they bought the new 900's for 9E that bombardier would asume some of the risk for some of the 200's. Think thats come and gone already.. But likly its someone that already operates the 200's to keep the small fleet of 100-125 of them to serve small communities.... On a short 5-6 year contract. Maybe even prorate...

Cruz5350 10-07-2014 04:52 PM


Originally Posted by amcnd (Post 1741952)
On a short 5-6 year contract. Maybe even prorate...

I bet it's this even more likely it turns into prorate.


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