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Old 08-11-2016 | 04:42 PM
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Originally Posted by CLT Guy
When I had 50 hours and a PPL, I did not consider myself a real pilot. It wasn't until I was signing my name for a jet with paying passengers in the back that I felt like a real pilot. Even when I was flying a turboprop on the west coast full of rubber dog doodoo, I didn't consider myself to be a "real" pilot yet. I still had way too much to learn to be that cocky.

I still have a lot to learn, but I do consider myself a real pilot.

Maybe for a military guy, it was something different - a stage when they issued you wings that you earned.

But that is just me.
To me, that sounds like the distinction between being a "pilot" and a "professional pilot" or "aviator".

I've been flying airplanes for 25+ years, GA, military, and airlines, and I still have "way too much to learn to be that cocky", as you say.

But, the day I got my PPL and flew back to my home 'drome with that temporary ticket in a Cherokee, proud but scared, I was very much a "real pilot."
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Old 08-11-2016 | 04:52 PM
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Originally Posted by CLT Guy
When I had 50 hours and a PPL, I did not consider myself a real pilot. It wasn't until I was signing my name for a jet with paying passengers in the back that I felt like a real pilot. Even when I was flying a turboprop on the west coast full of rubber dog doodoo, I didn't consider myself to be a "real" pilot yet. I still had way too much to learn to be that cocky.

I still have a lot to learn, but I do consider myself a real pilot.

Maybe for a military guy, it was something different - a stage when they issued you wings that you earned.

But that is just me.
So what were you then, if not a pilot?
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Old 08-11-2016 | 05:01 PM
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Originally Posted by CBreezy
So what were you then, if not a pilot?
If you don't get what he's trying to say then you probably never will.

Just because a 16 year old gets a driver's license doesn't make them a race car driver. They are just legally allowed to drive. Their decisions and actions obviously lack skill and judgement that would most likely differ after much experience.

The whole "wings" thing though, who cares.
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Old 08-11-2016 | 05:10 PM
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Originally Posted by CLT Guy
When I had 50 hours and a PPL, I did not consider myself a real pilot. It wasn't until I was signing my name for a jet with paying passengers in the back that I felt like a real pilot. Even when I was flying a turboprop on the west coast full of rubber dog doodoo, I didn't consider myself to be a "real" pilot yet. I still had way too much to learn to be that cocky.

I still have a lot to learn, but I do consider myself a real pilot.

Maybe for a military guy, it was something different - a stage when they issued you wings that you earned.

But that is just me.
So is John Travolta not a real pilot? Lol
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Old 08-11-2016 | 05:10 PM
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If you hold a license to maneuver a piece of metal/wood/fabric through the air, you are a pilot. Wings, suits and hats have not and never will make you a pilot.
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Old 08-11-2016 | 10:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Riverside
TSA doesn't have wings. Unless you were a cqfo from xjet then we do.

Au contraire, because of all of the b*****g about lack of wings, and people wearing their jacket wings on their shirt anyways, we now have official shirt wings. They're optional and only lIke $10 that Trans states will gladly deduct from your paycheck in case you can't live without them.
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Old 08-11-2016 | 10:53 PM
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FA's get wings too, the civie world is completely differentt.
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Old 08-12-2016 | 07:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Celeste
Au contraire, because of all of the b*****g about lack of wings, and people wearing their jacket wings on their shirt anyways, we now have official shirt wings. They're optional and only lIke $10 that Trans states will gladly deduct from your paycheck in case you can't live without them.
Before cqfo we never had them. Then after they all came on we had them. I have not seen one person that been on property longer than 2.5 years wear them.
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Old 08-12-2016 | 08:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Hacker15e
You can't think of the wings as being symbolic of an aviation achievement, like you probably do of military wings.

Instead, they're simply symbolic of your employment at a particular shop. When you are given them varies between where you work.

At the regional airline I worked at, I was given the wings unceremoniously by my the examiner after my LOE simulator session at the very end of training.

At the major I work at, I was given them after only a few weeks of non-flying indoctrination training (basically still at the beginning of training -- I hadn't even see the inside of a simulator yet) in a fancy-ish formal ceremony that family/friends are invited to attend.

Overall, it is simply a uniform item that socially has less value and meaning than in the military.
Thanks, this is the answer I was looking for. It will be one of many adjustments going into civilian flying.
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Old 08-12-2016 | 04:32 PM
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Think of your license as your "wings" in civi world. Not as bad as the brand new PPL wearing four bars on his pilot shirt. That was a bit obnoxious, but he is now an FO at Republic.
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