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Originally Posted by Swampass
(Post 1774190)
You guys will be flying planes that have 10+ years of my ash sweat caked into the seats! Go ahead, eat that M&M off the floor. Enjoy your "new" planes.
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Originally Posted by Swampass
(Post 1774204)
Hemroids suck, but they add to the flavor!
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Originally Posted by MavAv8r
(Post 1773890)
How can you say the numbers don't support a move? If you are slinging gear at Republic or Envoy and aren't going to upgrade in the next year, please do tell how it's a bad move? Anyone on property that has the time will upgrade in a max of 12 months. Anyone that comes in between now and early spring will upgrade before the final bird shows up. If you are CQFO qualified, you will hold solely a captain spot well before that due to guys that don't have the time yet.
Guys that come in say January - March with 1500 total will be a 15-18 month upgrade as long as they work hard. Attrition will help those guys and for the majority of their time here prior to upgrade hey will be senior FO's. TSA staffs at 5.5-6 crews per airplane. So let's just lay this out in simple terms for master math guy up there. 10 people/airplane (5 captains and 5 FO's) x 50 aircraft approximately equals 500. We need to hire 500 people over the next 15-18 months. Not 1000. No one said a CFI that gets hired in January will upgrade in 9 months. Someone coming in that's close to the time anywhere between now and most likely summer will upgrade in less than 12 months. So I apologize for "pooing", but his statement was sh*t to begin with. With no attrition off the top guaranteed every year, that leaves a loooong wait for anyone who missed that very small window. That window might close up when you guys can't get new hires to get in there. Only a small amount of guys will get CQFO pay, but new hires with 1500 stand to make a lot more money initially at Endeavor. Simple math. Plus there is a guaranteed 144+ off the top. Endeavor is nearly at their staffing level for their final number and as i said, it's roughly 90 grand over two years for a new hire coming now. Would you rather sit 2 years making 90 at Endeavor or 56 at TSA?? TSA/PSA is in for a world of hurt if they can't get guys in the door after the next couple months. Going now is a complete gamble on them hiring nearly 1000 guys behind you and continue hiring into the future at any substantial pace to continue upgrades. |
Originally Posted by PapaMike
(Post 1774318)
So we go from saying 9-11("less than a year") in earlier posts and many are still quoting these numbers. If you have approx 400 on property and are gaining 50 planes at 5 crews each(your numbers) that is an extra 1000 pilots. 1500 total. Leaves 750 FOs.
With no attrition off the top guaranteed every year, that leaves a loooong wait for anyone who missed that very small window. That window might close up when you guys can't get new hires to get in there. Only a small amount of guys will get CQFO pay, but new hires with 1500 stand to make a lot more money initially at Endeavor. Simple math. Plus there is a guaranteed 144+ off the top. Endeavor is nearly at their staffing level for their final number and as i said, it's roughly 90 grand over two years for a new hire coming now. Would you rather sit 2 years making 90 at Endeavor or 56 at TSA?? TSA/PSA is in for a world of hurt if they can't get guys in the door after the next couple months. Going now is a complete gamble on them hiring nearly 1000 guys behind you and continue hiring into the future at any substantial pace to continue upgrades. I'm gonna break this down 3rd grade style so there's absolutely no way anyone, EVEN YOU, can misunderstand it. 50 airplanes. That's half of 100. More than 49. Less than 51. 5 crews per airplane. 1 captain, 1 FO = 1 crew = 2 pilots. 2 pilots per crew. 5 crews per airplane. 5 x 2 = (drumroll) 10 pilots. 10 pilots per airplane. 50 airplanes. 50 x 10 (pat me on the back, this took a mathematician to figure out) = 500 pilots. 500 pilots. Not 1000. Not 2. Almost right in between that. 500. Yep. You're reading it correctly. Don't second guess yourself. It's still 500. Tutoring sessions are available upon request. How bad does your head hurt trying to fly RNAVs into IAD and IAH without VNAV and A/T? We'll cover how to tackle that man made mountain of a problem in next week's lesson. We used to take guys like you out back and beat you with a hose. Now you've got your damn unions. |
Originally Posted by MavAv8r
(Post 1773892)
Ya totally. Parker and I have drinks every monday.
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Originally Posted by PapaMike
(Post 1774318)
With no attrition off the top guaranteed every year, that leaves a loooong wait for anyone who missed that very small window. That window might close up when you guys can't get new hires to get in there. Only a small amount of guys will get CQFO pay, but new hires with 1500 stand to make a lot more money initially at Endeavor. Simple math. Plus there is a guaranteed 144+ off the top. Endeavor is nearly at their staffing level for their final number and as i said, it's roughly 90 grand over two years for a new hire coming now. Would you rather sit 2 years making 90 at Endeavor or 56 at TSA??
TSA/PSA is in for a world of hurt if they can't get guys in the door after the next couple months. Going now is a complete gamble on them hiring nearly 1000 guys behind you and continue hiring into the future at any substantial pace to continue upgrades. Also, why would there be zero attrition? Anticipating a modest attrition of 20 pilots/month when mean somebody hired once TSA is completely staffed (900 Total Pilots on the list) would still see an upgrade in 23 months. Math isn't that hard. |
Originally Posted by PapaMike
(Post 1774318)
So we go from saying 9-11("less than a year") in earlier posts and many are still quoting these numbers. If you have approx 400 on property and are gaining 50 planes at 5 crews each(your numbers) that is an extra 1000 pilots. 1500 total. Leaves 750 FOs.
With no attrition off the top guaranteed every year, that leaves a loooong wait for anyone who missed that very small window. That window might close up when you guys can't get new hires to get in there. Only a small amount of guys will get CQFO pay, but new hires with 1500 stand to make a lot more money initially at Endeavor. Simple math. Plus there is a guaranteed 144+ off the top. Endeavor is nearly at their staffing level for their final number and as i said, it's roughly 90 grand over two years for a new hire coming now. Would you rather sit 2 years making 90 at Endeavor or 56 at TSA?? TSA/PSA is in for a world of hurt if they can't get guys in the door after the next couple months. Going now is a complete gamble on them hiring nearly 1000 guys behind you and continue hiring into the future at any substantial pace to continue upgrades. |
Originally Posted by TeamRamRod
(Post 1774327)
ARE. YOU. RETARDED?!
I'm gonna break this down 3rd grade style so there's absolutely no way anyone, EVEN YOU, can misunderstand it. 50 airplanes. That's half of 100. More than 49. Less than 51. 5 crews per airplane. 1 captain, 1 FO = 1 crew = 2 pilots. 2 pilots per crew. 5 crews per airplane. 5 x 2 = (drumroll) 10 pilots. 10 pilots per airplane. 50 airplanes. 50 x 10 (pat me on the back, this took a mathematician to figure out) = 500 pilots. 500 pilots. Not 1000. Not 2. Almost right in between that. 500. Yep. You're reading it correctly. Don't second guess yourself. It's still 500. Tutoring sessions are available upon request. How bad does your head hurt trying to fly RNAVs into IAD and IAH without VNAV and A/T? We'll cover how to tackle that man made mountain of a problem in next week's lesson. We used to take guys like you out back and beat you with a hose. Now you've got your damn unions.
Originally Posted by flyingreasemnky
(Post 1774359)
Why would anyone go to Endeavor when they are continuing to down grade guys? I know recently downgraded captains at Endeavor that are contemplating the switch to Trans States. Endeavor has no future at present and the money they are offering is eerily similar to the retention bonuses that Comair gave out. No one wants to be in the same position that Comair was.
Also, why would there be zero attrition? Anticipating a modest attrition of 20 pilots/month when mean somebody hired once TSA is completely staffed (900 Total Pilots on the list) would still see an upgrade in 23 months. Math isn't that hard. How do you expect those 500 new pilots to all get this magical upgrade u discuss??? OOOHHHH!! That's right! You will need 450 guys behind them to get hired. DING DING DING we have a winner! So the 500 for the new aircraft + 450 for those to upgrade to keep the gravy train moving = ????? Idk, im told i'm not good at math, can you answer this for me, god of the calculator? Everyone at TSA is selling this as "come here and upgrade within a year guaranteed". Do some serious thinking about this. Even if you are one of the first to go, you still need the guys behind you to follow. Eventually you will stop getting prior 121 to make the jump. If you are a new hire, as i have said several times already, it makes a lot more sense to go to Endeavor than TSA. You wont upgrade there for awhile and you will make more than 30 grand extra at Endeavor. Even if you could maintain 20 a month, Endeavor will have more and therefor a quicker long-term path to the left seat especially for the newbs to the industry. That's where the long-term movement will stem, new faces. At Endeavor net downgrades have stopped, attrition has slowed to a halt, other people are actually intelligent and coming here. It's been a rough couple years but times are a changin'. |
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