TSA getting 15 airplanes to fly for AA.
 

Title says it all.. 15 emb-145s, starting April.

The title doesn't say TSA is getting them from Envoy at the expense of Envoy pilots.

And? Did TSA pilots take concessions to get them?

It's a shell game, who cares!

Let's not get all cocky and start crap with anybody.. Nobody wants to see any airline get flying or airplanes taken away from their airline. Either Envoy or XJT.

In all fairness, no one is being cocky. I feel really bad for both Envoy and Expressjet but Saabs is right. There was no concessions taken by TSA pilots to get this flying. In fact, the beginning part of this decade, the TSA pilot group greatly improved their contract. What would you like the TSA pilots to do? Strike? Quit? What's your end game?

Every regional gets airplanes at the expense of another regionals' pilots. TSA didn't take concessions to get them so it's just another case of AAG screwing Envoy, not TSA screwing Envoy.

That's because Envoy said it is because of its inability to staff. People, understandably, are bailing out of there. TSA took no concessions to get this flying.

I am a tsa pilot.. I'm saying let's be happy for the growth but not start talking crap about people loosing planes.. The title of this thread could be viewed as a bit cocky..

Don't know. Rumors of a DCA cobase we already have an ORD base.

This is why I think it would be a good idea for our MEC to get the company to give hiring priority to ExpressJet and Envoy pilots that want to come here as CQFOs or FOs for those that are not CQFO qualified.

The next thread will be "No TSA pilots in Envoy Jumpseats"

Agreed. That would be a good idea.

Take it easy buddy..

American/US Airways have a huge operation at DCA. Been hearing a lot about DCA but haven't heard anything about DFW.

I'm an envoy pilot, but have nothing bad to say about the guys and girls at TSA. I can only hope people don't make lateral moves and keep the regional churn cycle going.

Now, PSA on the other hand? Absolute dirt bags...but that's for another thread...:cool:

Didn't need to, TSA pay is already below those who have lost the flying. Hulas won't be able to staff and that flying will be lost again to companies that will only fly them at a profit. True, TSA flies at a profit, but only because the pilots cost less between pay and benefits.

Once again, if you're looking at the pay scale posted on APC profiles...you need to factor in the terms of the contract before making a stupid statement like this. Anybody thinking of coming to Trans States needs to talk to a TS pilot, not some random poster trying to spoil everything.

Again with the economics of this business incase you've missed it.. Pilot pay and benefits are just a small part of the equation when talking about a company.. We have very little overhead, office space, hangar space, less office staff, fuel cost... Etc, etc. This is why we can fly the same airplanes at a profit. We are a private company that is very smart with money, our pilots do not cost less, our overhead, operating cost and management cost do..

I can make a podcast so you can listen to it if you like..

Don't know who's payscale your looking at. If I were at ExpressJet I'd have to take a pay CUT ($66.93 to $65).

What are your work rules? Min day pay? 401k, insurance costs, sick time, LTD.

You all speak of your low overhead costs, well if you are doubling your fleet they will be increased accordingly. All regional companies are banking on pilots jumping from seniority list to the next. Thus I my paying first years wages.

Once agai. We pilots play checkers while mgmt plays Chess at Kasparov.

That's a very interesting observation!

No matter what anyone says, unless it is Eagle or the XJT contract, you won't be happy. So, I'll just say this. The TSA contract is TERRIBLE. You get 3 days off a month. The starting pay is $12/hr and if you ever get sick, they just fire you on the spot. Does that make it easier to hate them for getting more flying?

Our work rules are above average. We get 100% leg by leg cancellation pay. The big thing we don't have are rigs or min days. We have an unlimited commuter clause (have to list for 2 flights).

Reserve rules are good for a regional airline. The big change we need to see in those rules are a longer call out for long call reserve and a limitation on how often the can put you from long to short call reserve. We have a decent 401K and sick time. The only thing that sucks about the sick time is you can't use it for one year.

Well that and we abuse baby seals....:D

It's easy to hate all regional pilots when your threads looks like this.

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^^^^ I reckon sumbudy dunn good on there SAT tests

Nice use of color.

I've read threads on every board here. They all look like this with different names and different childish behavior. You're a pilot and will hate every other pilot because you are clearly better than them because you work for X and have y hours in a z. In reality, when it comes to how "good" you think you are, it's all about the cards you're dealt, the people you know, and luck.

Get a life...

No thanks for helping you with English? :(

Baby seals? I thought it was polar bear cubs :p

In the real world the rest of the board (apart from a few bitter idiots who emulate the regional side) mainly discussed overnights, hiring news, and general work advice/help.

Not whose awful contract is better than whose (with vitriolic hatred I might add).

When there is an announcement, will someone please resurrect this thread?

An announcement for...

Kat keeps trying to defend the TSA contract. It is not very good. The work rules are okay, and are essentially 117 now anyway. The reserve system is awful--unlimited airport reserve at 10 hours a sit with no virtual or pay credit; and the aforementioned long/short call issues, combined with giving the company the ability to totally hose you on the first and last day of reserve so that you have to commute on days off.

The sick accrual rate is really low, something like 2.5 hours or so a month. That's criminal, along with not being able to use it the first year, though Stamper is trying to address that.

The 401(k) is a joke. The funds aren't great and the matching is abysmal.

However, TS does operate on the lean, and that's why they got the planes. Overhead growth will be controlled, and much of the growth will be directly tied to the arrival of the planes, i.e., pilots, FA's, dispatchers, schedulers, etc. will only be added as the fleet grows, and those costs will be covered by the FFD.

It should indeed be noted and praised that no pay-cuts and/or concessions were taken to get this flying. For those that want to harp on PSA, they didn't take the concessions until AFTER Envoy turned them down.

Envoy pilots knew the risk they were taking, and the company could not make a threat to shut it down and then not follow through on it. I'm sure they did not expect to have to do so, but they were prepared. AMR is also counting on Envoy pilots recycling through to the TSA's and PSA's of the world, which will further reduce costs.

Reserve rules have changed since you were here. This isn't the only place I've worked and I can say for the regional industry our rules are average to above average. Is it as good as ExpressJet, Eagle or Comair was? No. But it isn't Mesa or Gojet either.

I've been gone about 18 months, so I don't what has or has not changed regarding work rules since then. If it's better than it was when I was there, that's great. But the problem (with regionals in general, not just TSA) is that it doesn't take much to improve QOL, especially for reserves, without having a huge impact on the bottom line. In fact, it could even improve the bottom line.

But, I do know this: the insurance is (for an airline) expensive, and 401(k) leaves a lot to be desired. There are ways to address the 401(k) in the CBA down the road, but as it stands, it's awful. It shouldn't be enough to say that it is on par with that of other regionals.

One thing you will not truly appreciate is the difference between what you have, and what could be, until you get what to experience even a modest step up. Then you'll look back and say, "How did I put up with that for so long?"