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I said all most. You will know if its terminal stage five by July. But I am sure you will not believe the doctor.
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Originally Posted by eaglefly
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you're an envoy "new hire" ?
Lol !!! You join last month, list yourself as a new-hire and then pontificate like a long-time envoy (eagle) veteran and expert who has this situation completely figured out ? Lolouder !!! You're a fake. 3200 pilots was well before any of this business with parker started, so stop falsely inflating the situation to assist in selling your agenda. The fact is that once the merger occurred, there were over 10 regionals feeding the combined entity and diversification was inevitable. To think envoy would have become the king of eagles is misguided error, but is sold by those stumping for the interests of management. Like you. Additionally, the regional feed network will be smaller........much smaller due to the realities of the ever decreasing availability of pilots and will comprise of all larger rj aircraft in the 64-76 seat range. Look for perhaps 300 or so jets and that means the overall network will shrink by half from its present state. Divided among 3-4 feeders, that's 75-100 aircraft a piece (ultimately). Some of these feeders will merge (envoy) and others will vaporize. What everyone is seeing now is simply a temporary stopgap pawn shuffling to plug the dike holes (which is failing) while getting some additional reduction in costs. It would behoove all those affected to look at the long-term end game big picture, instead of focusing on small, temporary acts designed to instill fud (fear, uncertainty, desperation (or doubt)). Listen to some of the dike holes here; they claim to be scared, claim you should be scared and preach fear. They claim disaster is all but certain on the present path and preach uncertainty. They beg, plead and cry to the heavens that something must be done and now preaching desperation (and doubt). Like another said, relax, take a deep breath and for god's sake, don't listen to jerry's dike holes ! |
Originally Posted by Phantom
(Post 1772077)
I said all most. You will know if its terminal stage five by July. But I am sure you will not believe the doctor.
The Phantom has rode into town recently to SAVE US! He knows the path to righteousness, and we should follow! Just like lemmings. :eek: |
ahhh, the glass troops, once again trolling.
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Originally Posted by publicphone
(Post 1770654)
Well folks, I don't know why our MEC continues to hide specifics from you, but here are some more.
We begin transferring our CRJs to PSA in June of 2015.
Originally Posted by publicphone
(Post 1770654)
We will park the remaining 38 EMB140s in 2015.
Originally Posted by publicphone
(Post 1770654)
We will transfer 15 EMB145s to Trans States in 2015.
Originally Posted by publicphone
(Post 1770654)
Then, we will transfer another 15 EMB145s to a yet unnamed airline in 2016.
Originally Posted by publicphone
(Post 1770654)
We will transfer another 20 EMB145s to Piedmont, all in 2016.
Originally Posted by publicphone
(Post 1770654)
That means that we will have gone from over 300 aircraft at the end of 2008 to 68 airplanes by the end of 2016.
Originally Posted by publicphone
(Post 1770654)
Additionally, the company disclosed a long time ago that with less than 70 aircraft on property, the flight department could not make a profit and would be liquidated.
Originally Posted by publicphone
(Post 1770654)
So let's think this through. A few months ago, we had the opportunity to lock in 170 aircraft guarantee with NO wiggle room for management, despite Ray Igou's current lies about management having the ability to stop the flow or reduce the aircraft guarantee due to staffing.
Originally Posted by publicphone
(Post 1770654)
Not only was Ray Igou not there at the time,
Originally Posted by publicphone
(Post 1770654)
So management is still offering a fleet guarantee,
Originally Posted by publicphone
(Post 1770654)
an enhanced flow,
Originally Posted by publicphone
(Post 1770654)
and relief on the 12/4 caps, should AA slow or stop its hiring.
Originally Posted by publicphone
(Post 1770654)
But our self-serving MEC continues to hide the ball.
Originally Posted by publicphone
(Post 1770654)
Someone should please help me understand how your elected representatives have helped you. They have lost 40 aircraft from the fleet guarantee, they have lost most of the 145s, the have lost our CRJs and the promised 900s, they have lost all credibility with the APA, and they are jeopardizing the flow through for the rest of us.
Originally Posted by publicphone
(Post 1770654)
Tell the MEC to put the proposal out for a vote and to get their self-serving personalities out of the way.
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Oh well.......looks like Jerry's kids will have to schedule another conference call to think up new strategies to divide the pilots (or create the perception that they are). :rolleyes:
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It's very clear here and on the Line what the majority opinions is of our union and opinion. Union busting tactics are dead here and these type threads are pointless and further unite this group. Nice try jerry.
Put up or shut up. |
The fact that glAss is even trying makes me laugh. For every day that passes we get stronger and stronger.
Like someone said. Put up or shut up. Period. |
The fact you guys think a multi millionaire is wasting his time on a message board with maybe 30 Envoy pilots makes me laugh.
We as pilots are as insignificant as any other labor group, accept your station in life and get used to it. |
i have a question, since psa and pdt are cheaper now or appear to be then why is aag sending embraers to tsa and ejt. granted psa is slated for middle next year to start receive the crj's at envoy, but pdt is starting the embraer 145 program, and the tsa/ejt aircraft are not until mid 2015 to 2016, so i ask why are they not going to pdt? Mostly all aircraft that are to leave envoy hands are not until mid 2015, why this long?
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