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Originally Posted by bedrock
(Post 1776910)
The thing to ask ourselves is, what would correct the shortage in the regionals? We know the answer is money. It is hard to get enough of it to train and regional airlines don't want to pay more, so what will they offer instead? Flow? Majors are pretty much against that as of now. Ab-initio training? If airlines had their own flight schools, and paid CFIs nothing but room and board, how many would jump at that? If regionals paid 10 dollars an hour, but offered had a major seniority number, how many do you think would bite?
Of course, the easy answer is MPL. |
Originally Posted by CBreezy
(Post 1776672)
There's this link:Pilot Shortage Update « Robert Chapin
I'd take it with a grain of salt but it's more than just stomping your feet and plugging your ears like most people do here. Website owner is a CFI. He has a vested interest to "further" the pilot shortage belief. Period, the end. |
Originally Posted by satpak77
(Post 1777114)
About « Robert Chapin
Website owner is a CFI. He has a vested interest to "further" the pilot shortage belief. Period, the end. They certainly have a "vested interest" in perpetuating the idea that there is not a pilot shortage, but a pay shortage. ;) |
Originally Posted by pagey
(Post 1777121)
You could say the same of ALPA's numbers, which everyone seems to point to.
They certainly have a "vested interest" in perpetuating the idea that there is not a pilot shortage, but a pay shortage. ;) If regional airlines paid new hire 1st year FO's 40K a year, and Captains 100K at Year-1 left seat Captain, you would have more students in flight school. Good Luck |
Originally Posted by pagey
(Post 1777121)
You could say the same of ALPA's numbers, which everyone seems to point to.
They certainly have a "vested interest" in perpetuating the idea that there is not a pilot shortage, but a pay shortage. ;) If regional airlines paid new hire 1st year FO's 40K a year, and Captains 100K at Year-1 left seat Captain, you would have more students in flight school. Good Luck The argument was that people that make charts and the such that say there IS a shortage have an ulterior motive and are therefore lies. ALPA also has a motive but somehow their numbers are infallible? It's contradictory. Of course I am all for pilots at all levels, but especially regionals to be paid better. |
Originally Posted by pagey
(Post 1777399)
I'm not sure how you took that meaning from my post at all.
The argument was that people that make charts and the such that say there IS a shortage have an ulterior motive and are therefore lies. ALPA also has a motive but somehow their numbers are infallible? It's contradictory. Of course I am all for pilots at all levels, but especially regionals to be paid better. In order to fit the rhetoric, Satpak is allowed to only read select words and make up whatever context bets fits the argument. |
Originally Posted by satpak77
(Post 1777354)
You are in the minority if you don't think pilots deserve better pay.
If regional airlines paid new hire 1st year FO's 40K a year, and Captains 100K at Year-1 left seat Captain, you would have more students in flight school. Good Luck |
Originally Posted by flynavyj
(Post 1777432)
I have to believe that'd make a noticeable difference. Might make a difference for me (still a 50% pay cut to get back in) but at least it's "less" insulting...Kinda sad that the kid I hire to make aviation charts who's a fresh college graduate is hired making $58k/year...while pilots are chasing $40k/year.
http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/re...-shortage.html |
Originally Posted by Cubdriver
(Post 1777473)
This is the kind of pay regional FOs should be getting (~$58k). I started in engineering right out of school some years ago a tad less than that. The job I got required nothing but an engineering degree. We had a lengthy discussion of what new hire pay should be at regionals a few months ago in order to bring pay in line with similar jobs in other professional fields (page 4+ in the thread linked below). If anything, airlines should pay more than similar jobs in other fields because of the higher responsibility and factors like extensive FAA certification and inability to switch companies without losing seniority. Picking a number out of the air, low $60s sounds about right to me depending on the location.
http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/re...-shortage.html |
What's the point? So they're paid under what should be an appropriate professional wage for their education, skill, training and experience. The pilot glut drives down wages everywhere.
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