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Old 01-11-2007 | 01:47 PM
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Originally Posted by fosters
By "efficient", what trait are you referring to? Can you prove it?
Payload my friend
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Old 01-11-2007 | 01:50 PM
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Range
Payload
Fuel

All of the above.

www.embraer.com

www.bombardier.com
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Old 01-11-2007 | 02:54 PM
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The only thing XJT has in common with Flyi is the aircraft size:

As mentioned before we have a guaranteed revenue stream from CAL and from our charter.

We also have the infrastructure already in place to support the maintenance and operations.

We are not in direct competition with anyone, as we will be flying out of medium to small markets which are currently underserved.

The XR is lot more efficient than a CRJ-200.

Less than a quarter of our fleet will be dedicated to this venture (at first).

If a market is successful enough, who is to say we won't upgrade it to bigger equipment. After all we do have 100 pending options with Embraer, which can be converted from XR's.

Do I need to keep going? Different ball game people, different ball game!
No to mention Independence Air was starting out in debt in a time of rising crude prices...whereas ExpressJet has millions upon millions of dollars to spend. If it fails...big deal...so they're out some capital and they still have the COA contract.

Not to mention they treat their employees great.

My only pick with XJT is...they're getting so many mainline routes...

IAH-PSP
IAH-PBI
IAH-GRR

Those should be for major pilots, but trying to save $$ COA gives them to XJT...but hey...more power to you.
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Old 01-11-2007 | 03:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Sanchez
Range
Payload
Fuel

All of the above.

www.embraer.com

www.bombardier.com
FF figures are extremely close, after comparing DOT filings.

Payload, the XR certainly has the -200 beat.

The ERJ isn't "gods gift to aviation" however.
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Old 01-11-2007 | 04:02 PM
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No to mention Independence Air was starting out in debt in a time of rising crude prices...whereas ExpressJet has millions upon millions of dollars to spend. If it fails...big deal...so they're out some capital and they still have the COA contract.

Not to mention they treat their employees great.

My only pick with XJT is...they're getting so many mainline routes...

IAH-PSP
IAH-PBI
IAH-GRR

Those should be for major pilots, but trying to save $$ COA gives them to XJT...but hey...more power to you.
Yes but that has nothing to do with XJT, thats all CAL management
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Old 01-11-2007 | 04:03 PM
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Originally Posted by fosters
FF figures are extremely close, after comparing DOT filings.

Payload, the XR certainly has the -200 beat.

The ERJ isn't "gods gift to aviation" however.
PAX prefer ERJ's the CRJ is miserable to sit in, the windows are like 2 ft below the shoulder
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Old 01-11-2007 | 04:18 PM
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Originally Posted by DMEarc
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My only pick with XJT is...they're getting so many mainline routes...

IAH-PSP
IAH-PBI
IAH-GRR

Those should be for major pilots, but trying to save $$ COA gives them to XJT...but hey...more power to you.
How do you figure those should be mainline routes? Just because they are long distance? They are the long-thin routes that aircraft like the XRJ, E170s and CRJ700s are good at. I've been to GRR many times and that ain't a big town Theres a reason CAL will fly a 737 EWR-BOS but put an RJ on any of those routes.
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Old 01-11-2007 | 04:23 PM
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Originally Posted by freezingflyboy
How do you figure those should be mainline routes? Just because they are long distance? They are the long-thin routes that aircraft like the XRJ, E170s and CRJ700s are good at. I've been to GRR many times and that ain't a big town Theres a reason CAL will fly a 737 EWR-BOS but put an RJ on any of those routes.
Ditto that. Theres many long legs.....
EWR-OKC
IAH-IAD
IAH-YYZ
IAH-MSP
EWR-MSP
IAH-SLC
etc..... All comes straight from CAL. If they could fill a 737 i bet they'd fly it... sometimes routes like these flop from our system to theirs each bid period...
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Old 01-11-2007 | 04:33 PM
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Originally Posted by SAABaroowski
PAX prefer ERJ's the CRJ is miserable to sit in, the windows are like 2 ft below the shoulder
LOL have you ever sat in an ERJ? THAT is a miserable experience!
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Old 01-11-2007 | 05:04 PM
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Originally Posted by fosters
LOL have you ever sat in an ERJ? THAT is a miserable experience!
I've sat in both, and the Embraer is definitely a more comfortable ride.

2-1 Seating.
Windows you can actually look out of.
The F/A can actually control the temperature in the cabin.


And as far as the performance issues, well, let me put it to you this way,
we use to do COS (Colorado Springs for the non airline folks), and in the summer with an XR we would still be take-off limited due to the high density.

CHQ is going to run it now with a CRJ-200 (not an LR either), how do you think that's going to go?

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