Originally Posted by Emb170man (Post 1789435)

Parker gets concessions from Envoy and announces a 4% pay raise for mainline employees the same day...coincidence? I think not. You got played like a Used fiddle.

Originally Posted by A320Flyer (Post 1789292)

Envoy: another loser pilot group, just like PSA. Enjoy those new "regional jets" and your pay freeze concessionary contract.
Remember that when you see one of us taxing out there....

Signed: Ex-Eagle, current proud Spirit pilot and 2010 Strike ALPA Battle Star pin recipient.

Alpa > Press Room > Spirit Pilots on Strike

Originally Posted by pagey (Post 1789441)

Please, Envoy's situation in no way mirrors Spirit's.

Originally Posted by PeezDog (Post 1789757)

Now with this Envoy contract voted in and all the others who took a concession, any chance of us getting any real gains just went right out the window. So while pilots who took concessions, for whatever reasons, screwed the rest of us, the Unions are just as much to blame. We can blame the pilots all we want, but ALPA shares in on the blame as well. I think in our particular situation, both our MECs have done us more harm then good. We're approaching 4.5 years of contract negotiations without much progress. Yes, there was a TA, but we all know how that went, and now we are fighting over PBS again. The longer we delay our contact, the more it has hurt us. Had the MECs worked together in a professional, timely, and efficient way instead of acting like 5 year olds, then there wouldn't have been so much time for other airlines to vote in concessionary contracts. So now here we are with out much, if any, leverage. Had they stopped acting like children, we could have gotten a better contract, held the line or maybe even raised the bar; instead we stuck here with no clear view of what gains, if any, we can now possibly leverage. I for one, my patience is at an end with ALPA and both our unions. If there's not a TA soon, I'd love to vote every single one of your asses out. I hope the ERJ would agree with me. You fools are costing us, and every other pilot in the industry.

Originally Posted by Concorde001 (Post 1789763)

Are the CRJs going to stay with Envoy now?

Originally Posted by B1RD (Post 1789860)

Here's the future for ENY .........

Retire the entire EMB 145 fleet.

Reassign 145s to other carriers ( In progress)

Reassign the CRJ to other carriers ( In Progress)

LAX MTX/Crew Base CLOSED ENY hangar has been rented to Compass.

One crew base DFW.

MTX/Crew base MIA CLOSED

MTX MQT closed ASAP

MTX ABI Shrink / Close after 145s are gone

MTX XNA May close ,If AAG can negotiate futures on the hangars they may be saved.

MTX SGF shrink to Line MTX only ASAP

MTX ORD contacted to support Republic 175s, shrink to line mtx only. AAG has the ENY hangar leased for a long time , REP may rent it. Crew base closed.

MTX CMH may stay operational Heavy MTX 175s

DFW MTX Line MTX only the hangar in DFW is to small for the 175 may rent space from AAG if needed.

AAG group will dangle those options for further concessions and will get them.