It "was" to be in writing ?

Ahh, could you post that here to prove it ?

Specifically, the contractual agreement that should staffing become critically low, that management will reduce the number of operational aircraft to ensure the AA flow-thru continues at the contractually required minimal rate regardless of the consequences to the Envoy or AA operations. Besides, even if it did exist, any number of options are available to circumnavigate that. In the past, the CBA stated the company would "aggressively seek new flying opportunities......", but that was a joke and has since outsourced to other carriers consistently. Letter 3 was a landmark example of management B.S. and how about scope transfer rights to your own aircraft ?

*POOF*

Gone like a fart in the wind.

Please. Anyone banking a single promise from this management is truly living on hope and prayers.

Uh..yes this next decade will be very different. The majority of AA pilots will retire in the next 10 years. Nuff said.

I can't copy paste it as it's in a powerpoint sheet on ALPA.org.
If you have access it is still there from March 2014.

Good I made you laugh pops. ;)

Keep dreaming man...the flow was good for you but not for everybody else. Hey, I voted yes now...I voted no in bk and in March.

It's time to think for ourselves, you hate so much eagle that I believe you would be happy if they close the airline. AA is becoming the biggest LLC of the world...it's not the same place it used to be and it never will.

Like I said before, the flow should be the plan Z for anyone, the plan A should be get hire anywhere before flow. But hey that's ok... Don't come to envoy people, go to PSA, MESA, RAH, Compass, any place that will take you away from Envoy. :)

I don't think it's the "majority". Many thousands, yes. Half those slots come from the street. Other carriers will have heavy retirements and will also have no alternative to match any flow a competitor like AA has to maintain a feed network, so leaving there to go to AA is VERY likely to be a knee-jerk mistake at this point as they'd make it faster with another "ace in the hole" in their back-pocket and their present seniority at whatever regional they are at.

BTW......you're flowing to AA soon ? Well, welcome aboard. Of course, you do realize that according to J3, you're now also a loser who obviously "couldn't get hired anywhere else" too, yes ?

In fact, if J3 flows to AA then he too joins the loser club he's classified me into and soon you. Talk about a guy who has no idea of the things he talks about, yet his industry crystal ball is so shiny !

Kinda like the E-175 he sold his soul for, eh ? :rolleyes:

Seems I saw a stat that 7000 of 9000 AA pilots retire by 2025.

They would have parked airplanes for us to flow.

Absolutely.

They would have parked them at the front door of other operators. With the keys in the ignition.

Thanks son.....and I'm a nice guy to pull gear for too. ;)

You voted like that ?

Sure you did. :cool:

I don't hate Eagle, I'm just trying to paint a more realistic future based on the FACTS of the past and not fantasies of some of the present greenhorns.

Time to think for yourself, eh ?

Interesting. Suppose you flow over in 3-4-5 years (I'm not sure of the exact date in your fantasy) and as a very junior AA pilot in the typical bottom 15% nail-biting "furlough fodder" zone something unforeseen occurs and you are either subject to furlough or caught in a stagnation cycle and the majority senior also still being "pops" like me vote on things that won't prevent your furlough, like concessions ?

Hint : AA pilots have always eaten their young and the older they get, the less likely they will be to sacrifice their paychecks and pocket books to keep you employed.

As a pilot who clearly possesses a magna cum laude concessionist attitude like you, you'll not blame those more senior at AA (AKA the majority) for then also "thinking for themselves", will you ?

Of course you will. Why ?

Because you flip your logic like the wind when it suits your interests, have no interest in the past or mistakes made and well,.......like most of the present generation who demand instant gratification, "it's all about me".

Good luck kid. But you sound exactly like the rest of us when we were young, self-absorbed and full of pi$$ and vinegar and history has sooner or later always repeated itself in this profession and guess what ?

Just about the time you DO flow (whenever that is), if the cyclical nature of this profession hasn't proved itself once again, it is destined to do so soon.

Yes, ANY "flow thru" should be your back-up, because like it or not, there won't be enough mainline pilots slots for every hopeful that want them, even with the retirement schedule at least for 15 years. The point I'm trying to make is that any present regional pilots shouldn't flush there present seniority at regional X to come to Envoy for its flow-thru. That's the riskiest move they could make right now. At the very least, they should wait 12 months or so to see how things shake out and I think if they do, they'll breathe a sigh of relief they didn't allow themselves to be suckered into a knee-jerk reaction.

I find it humorous though that you babble about me supposedly "hating" Eagle, when clearly you hate the other regionals that you feel are responsible for your present situation. I can see why then it would be desirable to try and shaft them by strangling their recruiting. Clearly, there is a reason for your bias in favor of Envoy and its to inflict damage upon those you feel have done you wrong. My position on the other hand isn't based on an agenda or emotion, but simple practical reality based on the past and even more importantly the PRESENT conduct of your management who arguably has been the worst of the lot when it comes to fair treatment and honoring promises.

Hey, Parker's lied to us too and if he's willing to do that to us at AA, I can only imagine what his plans are for Envoy and putting the success of a shrinking regionals flow-thru, I assure you is NOT among his priorities.

But, if you must go ostrich, that's up to you. :cool:

Actually, we have about 15,000 pilots now. Hey, if a pilot jumps to Envoy now or goes there from scratch, they just might be at AA in 10 years. Not enough reason to jump or even target Envoy AFAIC. Delta and UAL will have to match AA's flow promises soon and they will.

How ?

They cant even staff the fresh new ones coming from the factory without raiding their other operations ?

They're robbing peter to pay paul and that's on a fairly small scale now. The best threats they could make to you were nickel-an-dime transfers of aircraft elsewhere, like 15 or 20 to regional X. In fact, I'm told now that the transfer of the 47 CRJ's will have to be delayed because the regional slated for them can't staff them at the rate AAG would like to transfer them.

Note : The transfer of the CRJ's was a future fleet commonality situation and would have occurred regardless of the contractual situation at Envoy, but still they cannot transfer them as desired.