I'm not staying here for the flow, I'm staying here until
I can go wherever I want to go. Im even trying to go off the street at AA. I'm Sorry if I'm too optimistic for you.

You're an where a 2011 hire, I'm a 2010 hire. Maybe more than 100 people between us, that's about 1 year difference in upgrade and 6months difference in flow.

Also remember you don't have to be a Ca to flow to AA as a protected pilot.

An interesting suggestion. Perhaps you can convince the administrator of the website to modify it so a member can only access either the major or regional forums, but not both ?

That would as you say keep people like me off the "kids" regional partition and the kids off the major airline partition. But, that's not likely as these forums are intended to allow multiple points of view on various subjects, but I do realize that this makes it more difficult for some to further an agenda (usually involving personal gain) using biased claims.

Whatever dude,

I dont go to AA Side and start talking how they are and will be replacing 737 and a319 flying with Cr900 and E175s and stuff like that.

I don't go posting my opinions in part of the industry I'm not and will not be considered part of. So...whatever man...


I don't have an agenda like you think Iam. I'm just a regular line pilot that would like his place to be better like it was one time. Sorry if you don't like my opinion and if you think is "balloni". I got done with you...

I though RJ was a troll but you guys go hand by hand. :)

Happy New Years and learn how to move on with yor life.

There are multiple factors that could derail the latest flow carrot from Envoy. Like it or not, Envoy is among the most risky of regionals right now because of its vulnerability. The latest round of concessions has made Envoy nothing but a house if cards entirely dependent upon a steady stream of new-hire pilots to replace those leaving for other carriers and at present some to AA. Even with that, Envoy will steadily shrink and the upgrade potential is weak. Many there who are more junior know this and how tenuous their situation is and thus unless Envoy gets that steady stream of pilots, their flow-thru plans are in serious jeopardy. Thus many are here to sell. In all likelihood, Envoy will fall far short in its recruiting efforts and thus the house of cards will fall. Combine that with AA implementing PBS and merging International and domestic divisions and significantly less pilots are needed which will likely slow or stop the flow. It has nothing to do with "9/11" claims, but is simply one of the "synergies" Parker has talked about repeatedly since he took over.

Hope is a good thing, maybe the best if things, but it should never get in the way if practical reality. For many at Envoy, it seems it has. Hopefully, those not there can better see the fields of cotton candy there because they aren't intoxicated by all the sugar fumes.

Chill out bro and understand dat all kinds of homies be checkin out another dudes crib. :rolleyes:

This thread is about flow-thrus and especially about Envoys. As a past product of both, I think I have just as relevant and credible right to comment on it as you or anyone else. Obviously you find this upsetting and perhaps it's you that needs to as you put it "move on" ?

You just said It....

Past product...you're not a present product. ;)

Past, old, obsolete...

Those who don't learn history are bound to repeat it. Young, arrogant, clueless...

.....or in the spirit of Animal House;

Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life.

The flow could of course get derailed but if that happens no one is going to be getting street hire slots either.
The big difference between now and 1999 is the age of mainline pilots.
If a new pilot is at all interested in AA I think it's the place to go.
At 360 per year a person will move up 1000 numbers in 3 years. You would be in upgrade territory looking at a job at any major with the ticket to AA in your back pocket. Also plenty of people lately getting straight in street hire from envoy to AA with no special connections or PIC. They are simply making the effort while many don't.

Yet, Envoy is slated to shrink to a little over 100 aircraft within a few years. I admire your optimism, but I think it's too optimistic.

No one knows how many aircraft Envoy will have in a few years but if it does shrink that much it would mean massive amounts of people left for green pastures which would be fewer people in your way for the flow through.