Who offers the best Flow.
 

1-PSA
2-Compass
3-PDT
4-envoy
5-Mesa
6-Xjet
7-TSA
8-AirWhisky
9-Skywest

Rj is becoming a master Troller...

There is a real answer.
ENY
PDT

In that order. They are the only airlines at the moment that have agreements that aren't frozen and continue throughout the duration of their agreements.

Just wait until PSA gets a flow........

lol, PSA doesn't have flow. Neither does #5-9

Serious list,

1- Piedmont
2- Envoy
3- Compass

I'm not just saying Piedmont is the best because I work at Piedmont. I have language for both Envoy and Piedmont and PDT's is far superior and is consistent for all pilots on the seniority list. Medical coverage is gapped and you are put on LOA at PDT till completion of training at AA. Also you can bypass for as long as you want and the flow accelerates by 1 for every 125 pilots above 350 (we will be adding 1 more in the near future).

PSA must give up the SAP to get flow.

Compass does not offer flow, and hasn't in a long while.

Compass flow ended for new hires when they were purchased by Trans States. I believe there are still pilots on the seniority list with flow right to Delta.

Endeavor should be somewhere on that list since you are including airlines that have SSP's and not just straight flows.


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Sorry, so many out there that its hard to keep track on who is who. Who does endeavor feeds?

Good Luck.

Excellent points about the Piedmont flow, much better language and better benefits in our letter.

PDT
ENY

That's it. PSA doesn't need flow. Their SSP hires virtually everyone that interviews and I doubt they'd want to sell something for the flow... Though PSA may just offer their SSP just because.

PSA will have a flow here shortly, they have to renegotiate our career progression agreement once us and Aa get a single operating certificate which is supposedly happening here soon.

But that being said right now I would say envoy has a pretty good flow through program going on

Flows will probably be the next norm. AA is smart to be in the forefront with their flow language. They'll get more guys to show up for their regional feed. It's a no brainer.

If AAG hires 150/month, how many of those 150 will be flows from envoy/pdt?

There are some good flow trails in Santa Cruz these days. Also, I recommend checking out Winter Park in the summer time, they really have invested a lot into their flow trails.

Progressive.

Honest question, but what in your opinion makes PDT's flow so much better than Envoy's? Envoy's flow is much more robust and enhanced. If I remember correctly PDT flows 5 a month, is that correct?

Envoy's new TA guarantees 50% of each newhire AA class and minimum of 30 a month for pilots hired up to October 11th. Pilots hired after October 11th are guaranteed 35% of each AA class at a minimum of 15 a month. Pilots hired after date of signing get 25% of each AA class.

So again, even with PDT flowing 5 that is still less than Envoy. But as far as flows in the Regionals that is it:

Envoy
Piedmont

The language from PDTs flow is vastly superior to Eagles. Eagle having more per month does not make the flow better. The % of the group that flows is similar between Eagle and PDT.

PSA does not even have a flow at this point so does not belong in the discussion.

Correction to your statement...

PDT have 3 a month.
PSA 4 interviews a month
Envoy - 20 - 30 to AA for 824. Protected 25 and when the 1st 175 option arrive goes to 30. After protected is 15. After day of signing is 5 and depending on how many pilots we have on property goes up.

These guys.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vMITcQUe-9M

Mother Nature...;)

Who cares? If you go to a regional now it's going to be about a decade until it's your turn to flow. You'll probably wind up leaving before that for a different major. AA should be an interesting pilot group a few years down the road when it's made up of all PSA, PDT, Envoy scum. AA will be able to put out a TA that lowers pay to $15/hr and it'll pass.

It's an interesting scenario for sure. If you read some of the threads over in the AA section regarding their contract, they've already got some pretty deep weak spots when compared to UAL/DAL. No minimum calendar day credit? Yeesh. A steady stream of regional pilots willing to vote for worse compensation so they can line up to flow to a mainline carrier that already has contract issues? Nevermind. I'll work somewhere else...

We can bypass as often as we'd like, we keep our insurance until we qualify for AA ' S plans so no gap in coverage, we go on LOA so if there is an issue in training at mainline (has never happened to a PDT pilot in the last 5 years but better to be safe than sorry) they return to their seniority longevity and position at PDT,
Our numbers scale up as we grow going to 4 in 2015 and expected to gi much higher over the next 2 years and we only have 300 ish eligible pilots at any given time and we are a third through our list already. There are things I'm missing so find the LOA from PDT and read the flow language. Iron clad.

I agree with this 100 percent but I think it will have to go out
for vote. Someone correct me if im wrong.If it does there will be a flow because of the current rate of new hires coming in will swing in favor of it.

I can see AAG merging PDT and Envoy in a year or so. Don't you guys are going to be trained in the 145 by the Envoy instructors


Btw we can bypass also as much as we like. ;)

Mesa and Skywest have flow..into the 175 ;)

I agree about the potential of a merger in a couple years. I didn't know about the bypass language in your document!

There are still percentages attached to those numbers. For instance: protected pilots at 50% after the first 175 arrives.

And PSA isn't 4 interviews a month, it's 4 job offers a month. Big difference.

I know, but knowing AAG they will send the minimum. Either way our flow is too complicated to explain here. Lol


In short anyone hired today will have 2400 pilots out of his way in about 4 to 6 years depending how many guys don't wait for the flow and go somewhere else.

I'm still looking to get hired of the street in AA, B6 or Southwest. Those are my best options right now.

Rj pilot, shouldn't you be busy flying your GV for $250,000 a yr?

Thats more that AAG 777 captain makes. Sad.

Good Luck.

Why do I find it hard to believe you never left eaglevoy?

Good luck

I'm making $400K flying a BBJ! Have fun at your regionals, suckers!

This trolling stuff is fun - I can make up any old crap I want!

Yeah? Well, I'm flying an a380 for 500k and I'm home based. Trust me! I posted it on an apc forum, so I must be telling the truth.

Good luck

The SSP pass rate at Endeavor is relatively low for current pilots, if they give the SSP to new hires, I expect some of them will be at Delta in 2-3 years, maybe less.

I never post in this thread, but you are the most pathetic poster in here.

Did you ACTUALLY think that anyone would believe you "quit to fly a G5" while continuing to be the most frequent poster in here?

Asinine. Give it a rest. Own up to still being at Envoy, or just **** off with you diatribe and lies.

so how does PDt flow work for new hires and how many Pilots to go through?
We have about 300 lifers at envoy. Probably shrink way down some more.
Probably looking at about 2300 total pilots. Some will leave for other jobs but if not probably looking at about 300 ish per year flowing.