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Originally Posted by RJ Pilot (Post 1790706)

1-PSA
2-Compass
3-PDT
4-envoy
5-Mesa
6-Xjet
7-TSA
8-AirWhisky
9-Skywest

Who cares? If you go to a regional now it's going to be about a decade until it's your turn to flow. You'll probably wind up leaving before that for a different major. AA should be an interesting pilot group a few years down the road when it's made up of all PSA, PDT, Envoy scum. AA will be able to put out a TA that lowers pay to $15/hr and it'll pass.

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Originally Posted by highflyer0685 (Post 1790809)

It's an interesting scenario for sure. If you read some of the threads over in the AA section regarding their contract, they've already got some pretty deep weak spots when compared to UAL/DAL. No minimum calendar day credit? Yeesh. A steady stream of regional pilots willing to vote for worse compensation so they can line up to flow to a mainline carrier that already has contract issues? Nevermind. I'll work somewhere else...

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Originally Posted by pagey (Post 1790801)

The language from PDTs flow is vastly superior to Eagles. Eagle having more per month does not make the flow better. The % of the group that flows is similar between Eagle and PDT.

PSA does not even have a flow at this point so does not belong in the discussion.

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Originally Posted by Skyvector (Post 1790790)

Honest question, but what in your opinion makes PDT's flow so much better than Envoy's? Envoy's flow is much more robust and enhanced. If I remember correctly PDT flows 5 a month, is that correct?

Envoy's new TA guarantees 50% of each newhire AA class and minimum of 30 a month for pilots hired up to October 11th. Pilots hired after October 11th are guaranteed 35% of each AA class at a minimum of 15 a month. Pilots hired after date of signing get 25% of each AA class.

So again, even with PDT flowing 5 that is still less than Envoy. But as far as flows in the Regionals that is it:

Envoy
Piedmont

We can bypass as often as we'd like, we keep our insurance until we qualify for AA ' S plans so no gap in coverage, we go on LOA so if there is an issue in training at mainline (has never happened to a PDT pilot in the last 5 years but better to be safe than sorry) they return to their seniority longevity and position at PDT,
Our numbers scale up as we grow going to 4 in 2015 and expected to gi much higher over the next 2 years and we only have 300 ish eligible pilots at any given time and we are a third through our list already. There are things I'm missing so find the LOA from PDT and read the flow language. Iron clad.

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Originally Posted by PDTpilotXX (Post 1790738)

Excellent points about the Piedmont flow, much better language and better benefits in our letter.

PDT
ENY

That's it. PSA doesn't need flow. Their SSP hires virtually everyone that interviews and I doubt they'd want to sell something for the flow... Though PSA may just offer their SSP just because.

I agree with this 100 percent but I think it will have to go out
for vote. Someone correct me if im wrong.If it does there will be a flow because of the current rate of new hires coming in will swing in favor of it.

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Originally Posted by PDTpilotXX (Post 1790815)

I can see AAG merging PDT and Envoy in a year or so. Don't you guys are going to be trained in the 145 by the Envoy instructors

Btw we can bypass also as much as we like. ;)

Mesa and Skywest have flow..into the 175 ;)

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Originally Posted by PilotJ3 (Post 1790818)

I can see AAG merging PDT and Envoy in a year or so. Don't you guys are going to be trained in the 145 by the Envoy instructors

Btw we can bypass also as much as we like. ;)

I agree about the potential of a merger in a couple years. I didn't know about the bypass language in your document!

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Originally Posted by PilotJ3 (Post 1790803)

Correction to your statement...

PDT have 3 a month.
PSA 4 interviews a month
Envoy - 20 - 30 to AA for 824. Protected 25 and when the 1st 175 option arrive goes to 30. After protected is 15. After day of signing is 5 and depending on how many pilots we have on property goes up.

There are still percentages attached to those numbers. For instance: protected pilots at 50% after the first 175 arrives.