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Old 01-01-2015 | 09:34 PM
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Is this airliners.net? I hope you guys know you've scared every woman at least 5 miles away from this thread.
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Old 01-02-2015 | 05:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Lou Reed
I think the biggest customer complain about the CRJs (and the 145) is the whole valet tagging of their rollerboards. Not only is it a pain in the ass sitting there on the jet bridge, exposed to the cold, but often it could mean the difference between making their connection or not. That shows how $$$ trumps all, including better customer service.
If they didn't book 30 minute connections they'd have a better chance of making their connections.
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Old 01-02-2015 | 05:53 AM
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Simple. 900 is cheaper to buy and cheaper to operate. If it is Delta, they notoriously love a deal. From what I understand, bombardier is on shaky ground having invested so much in the C series without any sales yet. Could give Delta (or anybody) additional leverage.



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Old 01-02-2015 | 06:10 AM
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Originally Posted by AlaskaBound
My argument wasn't based solely on passengers picking a certain airplane when looking to go somewhere. Most passengers aren't that savvy. However, when they DO end up getting to the airport and step on the plane it's a noticeable difference and will or won't pick that airline again due to the "experience" they had on that flight. A person may or may not realize what kind of airplane they're flying on but subconsciously they're judging the aircraft. If they step on an Ejet they feel better. If they step on a CRJ they feel claustrophobic and will say "Ugh, I hated that Delta plane...it was so small".

I'm sure it's a small reason why an airline (most recently American) will splurge on the Ejet over the CRJ. It's a better product in the publics eye.
The CRJ vs. EJet argument is so dumb. No one cares except the pilots who fly them! No one even notices the difference except the non revs and the medallions!

If you pull 10 coach passengers on a CRJ 900 or EMB-175 (especially this time of the year) and ask them what airline they are on they will say Delta. Ask them what airplane they are on and they will have no clue. They think they're on mainline! And almost every time I deadhead on an MD88 or an A319/320 I hear people complaining about "this little airplane". Hell, I once heard that comment on a 757-300 going from ATL-LAS! Most of the general public have expectations of a wide body jumbo jet on every flight over 500 miles. It's idiotic. No, the public doesn't care what RJ they are on, they just want the cheapest ticket. The medallions will b!tch and whine no matter what you do.
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Old 01-02-2015 | 06:22 AM
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The more salient point is that US carriers just don't do the undisclosed order thing. They'll announce the mainline carrier and let the regionals squabble over it at the least.

Thinking that these have any reasonable chance of going to a US carrier is setting yourself up for disappointment.
I heard from some buddies who started doing contract instructing on the CRJ at CAE these planes are heading to Garuda to join their CRJ1000 fleet.
Just as 80kts said US airlines don't do undisclosed orders.
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Old 01-02-2015 | 06:23 AM
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Originally Posted by djrogs03
I've flown both over a route like LGA-DFW, in the 900 you'de be stopping for gas with a strong headwind or having an alternate, the Embraer wouldn't be as restrictive.
Where do you get this BS? We fly LGA-DFW all the time, and we don't stop for gas. We also flt DTW-MTY (Monterey MX, I'll spare you looking it up) in the winter. Over 1400 miles, full load and alternate, no fuel stop.

Originally Posted by djrogs03
The 900 only has a forward galley, if your catering during boarding then you have to stop, not so in the Embraer.
Do the pax really care if the FAs are inconvenienced? (They don't). Most DAL stations hold coach boarding until the 1st round is served anyhow. And I've seen this same problem on an MD88. Guess DAL should dump them too, lol?

Originally Posted by djrogs03
VNAV in the Embraer allows for lower approach minimums on certain GPS approaches.
Oh please! How often do you actually rely on a GPS approach to get in somewhere? I have been flying for and airline for 15 years and I can count on one hand how many times I've done an actual GPS approach in line flying. And it's always been into places like Dothan, Alabama or Fayetteville NC. Everywhere else you're flying an ILS, and Cat II is Cat II. Unless you've got an autoland, you're in the same boat as all the other RJs.


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I could go on and on simply put, having 1500+ hours in both airplanes Ide take the Embraer over the CRJ every day...
Please don't. I'm sure we're all impressed with your whopping 1500+ hours in both airframes (lateral move anyone?) but that doesn't make you an expert on route planning. I know you love your Big Shiny Real Jet With Engines Under The wings, but at the end of the day, it's still just an RJ.
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Old 01-02-2015 | 06:30 AM
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Originally Posted by djrogs03
I've flown both over a route like LGA-DFW, in the 900 you'de be stopping for gas with a strong headwind or having an alternate, the Embraer wouldn't be as restrictive.
Where do you get this BS? We fly LGA-DFW all the time, and we don't stop for gas. We also flt DTW-MTY (Monterey MX, I'll spare you looking it up) in the winter. Over 1400 miles, full load and alternate, no fuel stop.

Originally Posted by djrogs03
The 900 only has a forward galley, if your catering during boarding then you have to stop, not so in the Embraer.
Do the pax really care if the FAs are inconvenienced? (They don't). Most DAL stations hold coach boarding until the 1st round is served anyhow. And I've seen this same problem on an MD88. Guess DAL should dump them too, lol?

Originally Posted by djrogs03
VNAV in the Embraer allows for lower approach minimums on certain GPS approaches.
Oh please! How often do you actually rely on a GPS approach to get in somewhere? I have been flying for and airline for 15 years and I can count on one hand how many times I've done an actual GPS approach in line flying. And it's always been into places like Dothan, Alabama or Fayetteville NC. Everywhere else you're flying an ILS, and Cat II is Cat II. Unless you've got an autoland, you're in the same boat as all the other RJs.


Originally Posted by djrogs03
I could go on and on simply put, having 1500+ hours in both airplanes Ide take the Embraer over the CRJ every day...
Please don't. I'm sure we're all impressed with your whopping 1500+ hours in both airframes (lateral move anyone?) but that doesn't make you an expert on route planning. I know you love your Big Shiny Real Jet With Engines Under The wings, but at the end of the day, it's still just an RJ.
We do RNP approaches all the time in the E190 and yes they do get you down lower then the CRJ depending on the company, but you are 100% correct that the ILS is the best option for now.
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Old 01-02-2015 | 06:33 AM
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Originally Posted by PCLCREW
I heard from some buddies who started doing contract instructing on the CRJ at CAE these planes are heading to Garuda to join their CRJ1000 fleet.
Just as 80kts said US airlines don't do undisclosed orders.
This! So far the best and closest to accurate post. The guy that opened this thread needs to relax. No need to getting all excited and bounce of the walls. Probably a PSA guy like the one opening a thread saying "psa announcing ord base" when in reality the article only indicates operation in ord as fly through but no actual base. Oh geez these psa guys spreading false rumors I'll tell ya
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Old 01-02-2015 | 06:40 AM
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[QUOTE=Captain Tony;1794193]Where do you get this BS? We fly LGA-DFW all the time, and we don't stop for gas. We also flt DTW-MTY (Monterey MX, I'll spare you looking it up) in the winter. Over 1400 miles, full load and alternate./quote]

Just an observation however every time I've done DTW-MTY in the 900 with an alternate and full payload, it was with a planned fuel stop in MEM. The E-Jet does have slightly longer legs than the CR9.

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Old 01-02-2015 | 06:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Speedbird2263
Just an observation however every time I've done DTW-MTY in the 900 with an alternate and full payload, it was with a planned fuel stop in MEM. The E-Jet does have slightly longer legs than the CR9.

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I did that once, but it was filed with a 150KT direct headwind. And the DX had still filed it direct, but we were going to bump 20 pax. Most of the time, it's no problem.
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