Originally Posted by sqwkvfr (Post 1798175)

words and stuff

Originally Posted by PDTpilotXX (Post 1798169)

Nope. The 2002 re structuring agreement had small jet rates in it, not the newest CBA. Impossible to hear the same thing.

Originally Posted by PDTpilotXX (Post 1798141)

Btw knowingly going to work for a bottom feeder like RAH did more to hurt this industry than what you are suggesting. Idiot.

Originally Posted by sqwkvfr (Post 1798175)

Hold on a second, there, jack.

First of all, I don't know what in the hell your problem is with Republic pilots, but I've heard about enough trash-talking from pilots from other places under the cloak of anonymity thinking that they have even half of clue about the history of of Republic's pilot group.

Republic pilots have NEVER voted in a concessionary contract. NOT ONE, EVER.

We voted 85% AGAINST what industry analysts called an industry-leading contract and astounded and scared the crap out of the HQ crowd when we did it. We've held our heads high since then and will continue to do so, despite sophomoric, juvenile and idiotic comments like YOURS.

The Envoy guys talked real tough on this and other message boards about how the Republic pilots would cave on our TA vote, how we we're somehow "beneath (you)" if we did, and look who it was that voted in concessions to get shiny new jets....NOT REPUBLIC PILOTS.

Republic's pilots and their union have long been engaged in a hard-fought battle against one of the most anti-labor management teams since the Frank Lorenzo era. These people have written the book on tightening the screws on a pilot group in every facet of our operation and we have NOT GIVEN THEM AN INCH unless required by law, and WE NEVER WILL, UNLIKE certain other pilot groups.

The vast majority of the people on property at Republic came to this place when it was "the" place to be and many of those hired in the last three or so years have realized their mistake and are moving on. Fully half of our monthly pilot attrition are FOs fleeing the ship. Those who remain are committed to not give an inch until we get what it is we deserve.

Regardless, this pilots group finds itself in it's current position as the result of immoral management, an apathetic government, an antiquated depression-era law, a Federal Agency holding us hostage in order to increase their budget and influence, and a national union that cares more about collecting dues than rocking the boat during Democratic President's term, not because we voted to lower the bar, REGARDLESS of the reason. We are in this position DESPITE our best efforts, not as the result of them, unlike other pilot groups.

This pilot group is nowhere near the "useful idiots" that you presume who were sold a bill of goods and were "stupid enough" to come to Republic....and to be fair, those descriptions could very well be applied to many pilots that have recently gone to work at other airlines.

This air of superiority being demonstrated by some pilots from other groups is juvenile, misplaced, and incorrect....and while I apologize for what appears to be another Republic pilot for starting this little dust-up, I am NOT going to stand idly by and let some snot-nosed punk try to tough-talk a group of pilots with twice the intestinal fortitude and resolve than you will ever understand. I'd go so far as to call it hypocritical, considering a certain recent self-serving TA vote.

Watch what happens over the next few months with our contract negotiations. We are NOT going to be fed some line of BS and acquiesce to the management of the 4th most profitable airline in the world. No one is going to scare Republic pilots into voting in concessions and we will get what we deserve.

It's too bad we can't say that about all pilot groups.

Originally Posted by Bonanzer (Post 1798192)

So is going to psa, pdt, and envoy more noble? I think feeding the aag concession machine is probably the greater evil.

Originally Posted by Bonanzer (Post 1798192)

So is going to psa, pdt, and envoy more noble? I think feeding the aag concession machine is probably the greater evil.

Originally Posted by PDTpilotXX (Post 1798201)

I would say supporting and working for airlines like Silver, RAH, Lakes, Endeavor, etc with crap contracts does in fact hurt the industry more than going to an AWAC, XJet, ENY, PDT, Horizon.

Let me know when you guys get released by the NMB and I'll be the first one volunteering to walk with you guys.

Originally Posted by Bonanzer (Post 1798219)

But don't use our contract stagnation as an excuse for your pilot groups cowardly actions.

Originally Posted by Bonanzer (Post 1798219)

Your losing me. Pdt did the same thing endeavor did. Thankfully silver, rah, lakes, and endeavor can't staff. I hope I see the day when rah pilots can walk, but unfortunately the nmb has made it clear that won't happen. So it's either agree to BB crap or keep our even crappier contract and hope the staffing issues will work in our favor. I personally could care less what happens at pdt, psa, and envoy because I don't feel it affects us at rah at all. But don't use our contract stagnation as an excuse for your pilot groups cowardly actions.