6th anniversary of Colgan 3407
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Apparently the 9/11 truthers are at it again. Cliff notes version- some lady whose husband died in the attack sued the NY port authority and the Feds killed her via Colgan flight.
"HERE IS AN INTERESTING POINT. THERE IS NO WAY ALL THIS COULD HAPPEN UNLESS THE PILOTS WERE EITHER KILLED OR THEIR ELECTRONICS DISABLED. THIS IS BECAUSE THERE IS NO RECORDING IN EXISTENCE OF ANY REACTION BY THE PILOTS TO THE CRASH. ALWAYS WITH A DESCENDING CRASH, IF THE PILOTS ARE ALIVE, THERE IS SOME COMMENT. NOT SO IN THIS CASE WHICH MEANS THEY WERE DEAD IN THE AIR."
I never heard any of this crap before either, just googled 3407 conspiracy
"HERE IS AN INTERESTING POINT. THERE IS NO WAY ALL THIS COULD HAPPEN UNLESS THE PILOTS WERE EITHER KILLED OR THEIR ELECTRONICS DISABLED. THIS IS BECAUSE THERE IS NO RECORDING IN EXISTENCE OF ANY REACTION BY THE PILOTS TO THE CRASH. ALWAYS WITH A DESCENDING CRASH, IF THE PILOTS ARE ALIVE, THERE IS SOME COMMENT. NOT SO IN THIS CASE WHICH MEANS THEY WERE DEAD IN THE AIR."
I never heard any of this crap before either, just googled 3407 conspiracy
I explained the improbability of what they were advocating. Here was the response:
"That's why you need to do your own research.
Who else was on the planes manifest?
We're the pilots Muslim extremists or under Luciferian payroll?
Was HAARP used on the weather conditions?
These types of executions are statements ...not just a means of getting somebody bothersome out of the way."
That's right, folks. Luciferian payroll.
HAARP.
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Apparently the 9/11 truthers are at it again. Cliff notes version- some lady whose husband died in the attack sued the NY port authority and the Feds killed her via Colgan flight.
"HERE IS AN INTERESTING POINT. THERE IS NO WAY ALL THIS COULD HAPPEN UNLESS THE PILOTS WERE EITHER KILLED OR THEIR ELECTRONICS DISABLED. THIS IS BECAUSE THERE IS NO RECORDING IN EXISTENCE OF ANY REACTION BY THE PILOTS TO THE CRASH. ALWAYS WITH A DESCENDING CRASH, IF THE PILOTS ARE ALIVE, THERE IS SOME COMMENT. NOT SO IN THIS CASE WHICH MEANS THEY WERE DEAD IN THE AIR."
I never heard any of this crap before either, just googled 3407 conspiracy
"HERE IS AN INTERESTING POINT. THERE IS NO WAY ALL THIS COULD HAPPEN UNLESS THE PILOTS WERE EITHER KILLED OR THEIR ELECTRONICS DISABLED. THIS IS BECAUSE THERE IS NO RECORDING IN EXISTENCE OF ANY REACTION BY THE PILOTS TO THE CRASH. ALWAYS WITH A DESCENDING CRASH, IF THE PILOTS ARE ALIVE, THERE IS SOME COMMENT. NOT SO IN THIS CASE WHICH MEANS THEY WERE DEAD IN THE AIR."
I never heard any of this crap before either, just googled 3407 conspiracy
I guess they never read the CVR transcript.
R.I.P.
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Those conspiracy theorist have serious mental illnesses. The statements they make are clearly not made by a healthy person. Unfortunately there's a lot of very ill people in the world. Not to say all conspiracies theories are fake, but a lot of the stuff you read online are from some sick people. No amount of arguing and logic will change their mind. I don't even try to argue with anyone like that. The last thing I want is for one of them to develop some kind of infatuation with me and stalk me. Who knows the lengths they're willing to go when they think you're in on it?
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Flew with a 9/11 truther a couple times, and not just a politically-bent "Bush knew ahead of time" truther, but a full-on "controlled demolitions took down the towers and a missile hit the Pentagon" moron. Part 121 captain...chew on that one for a while....
As far as the legacy of Colgan 3407 goes, think of all the changes in the last six years that were a direct result of the dirty laundry aired during the NTSB hearings...Part 117, new ATP rule, universal adoption of ASAP and FOQA, increased oversight of regional training. Meanwhile, consider Colgan's journey since the crash: gobbled up by Pinnacle, went bankrupt, bought by Delta, sold off the Q400s, forced concessions on the pilots, renamed Endeavor, became RA's bragging trophy for regional cost resets - oh, and now paying every pilot $20k/year extra to avoid shutting down prematurely due to lack of pilots! The 1500 hour rule plus 117 has the regional airlines sliding towards obsolescence, as planned, and multiple pilot groups take concessions to forestall the process even as their airlines offer huge hiring bonuses. What an industry.
As far as the legacy of Colgan 3407 goes, think of all the changes in the last six years that were a direct result of the dirty laundry aired during the NTSB hearings...Part 117, new ATP rule, universal adoption of ASAP and FOQA, increased oversight of regional training. Meanwhile, consider Colgan's journey since the crash: gobbled up by Pinnacle, went bankrupt, bought by Delta, sold off the Q400s, forced concessions on the pilots, renamed Endeavor, became RA's bragging trophy for regional cost resets - oh, and now paying every pilot $20k/year extra to avoid shutting down prematurely due to lack of pilots! The 1500 hour rule plus 117 has the regional airlines sliding towards obsolescence, as planned, and multiple pilot groups take concessions to forestall the process even as their airlines offer huge hiring bonuses. What an industry.
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Think about this..... Had PIC respected the stick shaker and the stick pusher, and the SIC had knowledge of cold weather operations as well as stalls, and fundamental flying skills and had she not raised the gear and flaps during the stall, would there be a memorial for the passengers and FAs, assuming that is the purpose of the memorial.
Cruel? Possibly.... but look at the root causes.... not the lack of sleep, but training/checking and inexperience issues and process at the carrier.
Cruel? Possibly.... but look at the root causes.... not the lack of sleep, but training/checking and inexperience issues and process at the carrier.
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So, as a Professional Aviator, you can say with absolute conviction that a guy who wasn't competent enough to fly a Cessna 172 can jump into a transport category airplane, execute a descending spiral from 35,000 feet and put it perfectly into the side of a 20' building on his first try? Conspiracy? Hell no!!! That is one **** good Pilot.
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So, as a Professional Aviator, you can say with absolute conviction that a guy who wasn't competent enough to fly a Cessna 172 can jump into a transport category airplane, execute a descending spiral from 35,000 feet and put it perfectly into the side of a 20' building on his first try? Conspiracy? Hell no!!! That is one **** good Pilot.
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So, as a Professional Aviator, you can say with absolute conviction that a guy who wasn't competent enough to fly a Cessna 172 can jump into a transport category airplane, execute a descending spiral from 35,000 feet and put it perfectly into the side of a 20' building on his first try? Conspiracy? Hell no!!! That is one **** good Pilot.
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