I think the idea that Envoy has a better contract than PSA is highly debatable. From what it looks like their SAP makes quality of life much better than all but the most senior of Envoy pilots could hope to attain.

Sorry to bust your bubble...

Psa management have been manipulation their critical coverage, the Sap is not working as advertise. Probably for some people but for everyone.

Source: PSA CA friend of mine.

Isn't bZzzzt an ex envoy guy that ran off somewhere else? That would make a lot of sense. He wants to see envoy fail so his decision was the right one. He wants to see this place fail, the demise of many pilots and thur families, so his decision can be vilified? Ouch. What is wrong with our society?

According to him, he left for a family bussiness. Still lurking around and feel bad because he did the pilot thing for the money. Well...of course every school tells you, you will be in a major in no time making money. I guess he believed them, and wasted a good part of his life doing something he really don't like.

I have a lot of downtime now thanks to the career change so I check in on these boards pretty often. Like the other guy said I got into the industry and shouldn't have, I never did enjoy flying. Since I've left though I can see things from a different perspective and Envoy pilots on here have a lot of optimism even with no tangible evidence of anything good happening. Those guys existed while I was there also but it's still interesting to see.

The critical coverage thing truly is an issue, but the SAP is doing just fine. The company obviously doesn't want people using the SAP and therefore will not help anyone who is having issues. The union produced a guide that removes 90% of said issues, allowing pilots to use the SAP.

It takes a little time(sometimes a few hours) to process trades but you can still get the schedule you want with a little patience.

Don't be that guy.... Crusader is nothing but a hypocrite but that's just classless.....

This is just downright disrespectful. You need to remember that there are thousands of people that are being affected by the transfer of aircraft. Not only the pilots but also flight attendants and maintenance staff. Some of them had no say in the contract negotiations and are at risk of losing their jobs. To make a comment like that not only looks bad upon you, but also your group. It is childish and unprofessional.

Dude come on... No sense in rubbing salt in an obviously sore wound. The truth is PSA is going to to be a big regional for AAG. And one day we may face what Envoy has been facing the past couple years. Yes PC goes around flaming other pilot groups. Does he deserve to be treated like a jerk sometimes? Maybe. But a lot of people read these boards (including management) so don't go around jesting other pilot groups that way. I'm glad to be at a growing airline. And it is unfortunately at the expense of another ALPA pilot group which is just a shame.

I don't really think it is flaming. Initially I was even somewhat civil about it. I really have only ever gone at PSA, and a little Mesa. I am an envoy pilot, and as you just so eloquently stated, my world was being destroyed by your airline. As much as I hate to admit it, I have been calmed by rational arguments from people like Pagey.

However, it is people like CBreezy that have really brought out the worst in me. This is not the first time he has shown his true colors either.