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Old 03-07-2015 | 05:30 PM
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Contract? We don't need no stinking contract!
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Old 03-08-2015 | 05:53 AM
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Originally Posted by scudrunner13
Hi Guys,

Here is an excerpt from the latest union update:

This week was yet another week where there were no direct meetings with the Company. As such, your Negotiating Committee spent the first part of the week meeting with our Insurance and Labor Analyst along with our Labor Attorney. The second half of the week was spent forming proposals for Articles to be presented. Next Tuesday and Thursday we are scheduled for direct negotiations with the Company in Indianapolis, these will be the first "direct" sessions since February 12th. The NC plans on discussing Article 26 (Vacancies) and Article 13 (Physical Standards) as well as presenting Article 23 (Hours of Service) and Article 12 (Leaves of Absence).


Does anyone on here have union knowledge of when they will start discussing the important items THAT WE ACTUALLY CARE ABOUT AND NEED..i.E: PAY, CANCELLATION, etc???

Everyone was SOO confident in the fall that we'd have a TA to vote on by now!
Easy, now.

The only people who thought that we would have a TA by now had unrealistic expectations of the process and the ability to repair the absolutely horrible current CBA. It's not going to be fixed overnight.

Regarding the order of things: Ever have a blowout fight with your wife/girlfriend, etc? How do you re-engage? You begin with areas of common interest or easy agreement and then you move on from there. Trying to start the conversation with the most difficult or contentious subjects will result in the same type of fight from which you are trying to recover.

The Negotiating Committee and the company are going about negotiations in the correct manner. Diving into the deep end would prolong this process. Starting with areas of easy or mutual agreement before taking on the big issues of which you speak allows some semblance of trust and understanding to be built before tackling the difficult issues.

What I've seen from the NC up to this point would lead me to believe that they deserve the benefit of the doubt. I really don't think that it's asking too much for others to do the same.
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Old 03-08-2015 | 08:39 AM
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Originally Posted by CRJail
Then your life at RAH are not that bad. I mean I know life at RAH are really really bad, I just don't think that you think it's that bad. I left RAH for another regional. Life ARE better outside of RAH. Much better... Not all regional are the same.

I did GTFO and I truly believe that is the only middle finger you can give Bedford
Why the h*** would I leave this regional for another when I'm less than 100 numbers from the left seat? You have NO idea what my "life" is like here, so don't pretend to you pretentious little wanker. And suggesting I should make a backwards move to the bottom of another seniority list is asinine considering my situation.
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Old 03-08-2015 | 08:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Rahlifer
It took 7 years for that last abomination of a TA. It'll probably be another 7 before we see the next one. At least I'll still get a nice, glossy trucker mag for my extortion, errrr, dues money.
Welcome to the present and future. Organized labor has been essentially neutered (well,.......it has helped a great deal to neuter itself) by the government and NMB. Stalling and other delay tactics are now standard when management wants to drag their feet on increased costs. Expect more of the same.

Not to worry though (at least from a karma standpoint) as soon, the shoe will be on the other foot at the regionals as pilot attrition with almost non-existent replacement will soon start claiming casualties. The weaker airlines will begin to fail first while the presently more anchored ones begin to see big losses and parked airplanes. They killed the golden goose and now their goose is cooked as well. It is inevitable. What you're seeing now is simply the increasing process of burning the furniture to heat the house and the scattering of the rats in the process trying to keep their fur from ending up aflame.

The next few years are going to be very interesting.
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Old 03-08-2015 | 08:53 AM
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Originally Posted by EvilMonkey
Why the h*** would I leave this regional for another when I'm less than 100 numbers from the left seat? You have NO idea what my "life" is like here, so don't pretend to you pretentious little wanker. And suggesting I should make a backwards move to the bottom of another seniority list is asinine considering my situation.
Not really. If you left for say Piedmont you'd upgrade in less then a 2 years. You'd make twice as much money and you'd have a Job at one of the Majors automatically if you wanted.

That my friend isn't a bad deal if you were still looking at more then 2 years to upgrade at Republic.

I've got a friend that's been there 6 years and still doesn't know when he's upgrading. It's totally depressing hearing him talk.
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Old 03-08-2015 | 09:01 AM
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Originally Posted by MIADC8
Contract? We don't need no stinking contract!
6 days into March and we were already down 43 pilots. no urgency from the company to increase meetings with our NC. Eagle offering 200% and hotels for commuters and RAH wont even offer time and a half. One reserve for 80 captains in one base. Cant do anything to your schedule with Flica because every single request gets denied. Not one word from bedford. Its unbelievable. Very interesting times ahead
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Old 03-08-2015 | 09:09 AM
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Originally Posted by EvilMonkey
Why the h*** would I leave this regional for another when I'm less than 100 numbers from the left seat? You have NO idea what my "life" is like here, so don't pretend to you pretentious little wanker. And suggesting I should make a backwards move to the bottom of another seniority list is asinine considering my situation.
100 numbers? you're looking at 1.5 years at least till upgrade, I was 212 from upgrade and bailed...one of the best decisions ever...
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Old 03-08-2015 | 09:15 AM
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Originally Posted by IlliniPilot99
100 numbers? you're looking at 1.5 years at least till upgrade, I was 212 from upgrade and bailed...one of the best decisions ever...
Not at our present attrition. I live in base. I'm not starting over at another regional. I'd quit flying and go full time military before I'd continue perpetuating this management reshuffle ploy.

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Old 03-08-2015 | 09:45 AM
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Originally Posted by sqwkvfr
Easy, now.

The only people who thought that we would have a TA by now had unrealistic expectations of the process and the ability to repair the absolutely horrible current CBA. It's not going to be fixed overnight.
Lulz, how long you been at Rah? You realize how long Bedford and Co have played you?! Fixed overnight! Unrealistic expectations? I wonder if you have any clue how royally you are getting screwed.

FOs at Republic are hosed, better to have been shutdown, forces you to move on to another company. But no, this limping along, upgrade right around the corner.... If and when you finally upgrade you peers will be new hire with the majors. And if you are lucky enough to get hired it will be at the end of the line, the remainder of your career spent on the backside of the wave. Open your eyes, the decisions you made now are going to stay with you.
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Old 03-08-2015 | 09:50 AM
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Originally Posted by EvilMonkey
Not at our present attrition. I live in base. I'm not starting over at another regional. I'd quit flying and go full time military before I'd continue perpetuating this management reshuffle ploy.
if you live in base that's fine.

but I still get all the emails from the union and talk with a bunch of pilots there..

1. about 80% of the attrition is the bottom of the list
2. a massive displacement is expected soon with the parking of the Q's and 145's
3. If you left for TSA or PSA you would upgrade in less than a year and hold a line.
4. we haven't even hit summer yet and RAH is cancelling 25% just due to lack of crews
5. How many pilots are bypassing the 145 for the 170, last I heard it was around 70 which would push back upgrade even further


Even for the sake of the contract...it is so unbearably bad that at TSA I'm on pace to make almost double what I did on 3rd year pay and am sitting Left seat.

Good luck but IMO,staying there for in base is fine but 100 numbers isn't good enough to stay
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