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CBreezy 04-15-2015 04:53 PM


Originally Posted by Cubdriver (Post 1862763)
How do you know what the percentage is? And why would 140,000 ATPs currently listed in the FAA directory as being active pilots with FAA medicals, bother to keep an FAA medical if they work in China?

The counter argument would be, why would you keep your medical active if you weren't already employed?

squib 04-15-2015 05:15 PM

Imagine the fact that some people still fly airplanes for fun and just might have enough time to hold an ATP license and chose to get one, without flying for a career.

CAirBear 04-15-2015 05:56 PM


Originally Posted by Cubdriver (Post 1862750)
And how much did they raise the pay to help solve this situation? I interviewed with them in 2014, did fine in the Redbird sim, probably did ok on the tech exam and face to face chat, but was told no thanks and no longer received replies to any of my emails.

I'm failing to understand what your getting at. AWAC, historically, has had zero issues attracting candidates. This is because our pay and contract is very good. I'm 2nd year and make more than nearly every other regional FO will max out at. I don't say that to brag at all, but rather we've never had issues in the past because of decent wages so I am very surprised by this move. Things are a lot tougher than they are leading us to believe here that is for sure.

I am sorry to hear the interview didn't work out. I know they don't have a sim portion anymore. If you would like I can try and talk with people I know and see if I can help. PM if you would like. I've been around this forum enough to get an idea of the type of person you most likely are. You seem like one of the few level headed guys on here that is well spoken.

Interviews are a pain. It's so subjective. Maybe you were nervous (who isn't) and maybe the team were having a bad day and they decide your not what they are looking for? It's dumb.

CBreezy 04-15-2015 06:02 PM


Originally Posted by squib (Post 1862822)
Imagine the fact that some people still fly airplanes for fun and just might have enough time to hold an ATP license and chose to get one, without flying for a career.

That database is based on getting a first class medical. Why get a first when a 2nd or 3rd will more than do the trick?

CLT Guy 04-15-2015 06:07 PM


Originally Posted by CBreezy (Post 1862856)
That database is based on getting a first class medical. Why get a first when a 2nd or 3rd will more than do the trick?

We all know better than most that you can trust the government not to lie to us. Those statistics MUST be correct.

For instance, we know that there chemtrails are 100% false - *wink* wink* - and the government always tells the truth. If they say that there are 140,000 ATP's, it must be true.

By the way, what was the proper discharge pressure for the mind control spray? Was it 18psi?

CBreezy 04-15-2015 06:13 PM


Originally Posted by CLT Guy (Post 1862860)
We all know better than most that you can trust the government not to lie to us. Those statistics MUST be correct.

For instance, we know that there chemtrails are 100% false - *wink* wink* - and the government always tells the truth. If they say that there are 140,000 ATP's, it must be true.

By the way, what was the proper discharge pressure for the mind control spray? Was it 18psi?

Mods: this poster is sharing Uber Secret material on a public board. I recommend public shaming as an appropriate punishment.

CLT Guy 04-15-2015 06:16 PM


Originally Posted by CBreezy (Post 1862866)
Mods: this poster is sharing Uber Secret material on a public board. I recommend public shaming as an appropriate punishment.

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prex8390 04-15-2015 07:32 PM


Originally Posted by CAirBear (Post 1862851)
I'm failing to understand what your getting at. AWAC, historically, has had zero issues attracting candidates. This is because our pay and contract is very good. I'm 2nd year and make more than nearly every other regional FO will max out at. I don't say that to brag at all, but rather we've never had issues in the past because of decent wages so I am very surprised by this move. Things are a lot tougher than they are leading us to believe here that is for sure.

I am sorry to hear the interview didn't work out. I know they don't have a sim portion anymore. If you would like I can try and talk with people I know and see if I can help. PM if you would like. I've been around this forum enough to get an idea of the type of person you most likely are. You seem like one of the few level headed guys on here that is well spoken.

Interviews are a pain. It's so subjective. Maybe you were nervous (who isn't) and maybe the team were having a bad day and they decide your not what they are looking for? It's dumb.

Currently in ATW for class, I was told for the next few monthes they cut down to one class per month, I guess within the last few weeks they had enough candidates where they added a last minute class that starts on Monday, just heard about it a few days ago but supposedly it has like 15 guys in it. i know they are still doing weekly hiring sessions in PHL and at job fairs as well.

outaluckagain 04-15-2015 09:01 PM


Originally Posted by CBreezy (Post 1862597)
That's a ridiculous argument. Regionals operate on razor thin margins. They might be able to raise pay slightly but their entire business model is based on a cheap labor force with low overhead. This big shift in pilot pay will occur only if service is greatly impacted and the regional carriers say they can't staff at those rates. At that point, though, it would be cheaper to take on the flying themselves. This big sudden shift of massive increases wouldn't happen if a single pilot wasn't ever created again.

Don't jump to conclusions. The only ridiculous argument is the current FO starting pay. People just can't afford to work for such low wages. Major airlines could stand to fork over a little more to keep the system running. They are able to supplement quite a bit from their expansive international system...as an example.

outaluckagain 04-15-2015 09:06 PM


Originally Posted by atpcliff (Post 1862751)
There ARE tonnes of pilots with their ATP, both flying now and in training...they are flying for Lufthansa, Chinese airlines, and other Asian airlines. The numbers the FAA puts out include all foreign pilots.

Atlas hired quite a few last year, and their net gain was less than five. They tried to expand, but could not.

Salaries? I'd call going from $12K/month to $25K/month a big pay increase...it is happening in various parts of Asia, starting with China. They aren't paying more because of a surplus of pilots.

Guys leaving UAL during class, turning down class dates at the majors....that is a sign of the pilot shortage.

Where did you get your information that these guys are flying for Lufthansa? LH usually only hires people with German unrestricted work visas. EU passport and German ratings. German fluent.


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