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Originally Posted by ClickClickBoom
(Post 1862633)
Naaaha,
No signing bonuses or retention bonuses on the horizon is there? Pilots are amazing, they complain no one is hiring, when the majors are hiring 1000 per year each, its those unqualified minorities and women taking up all the slots. Give a pilot a big bag of gold and he will complain about how heavy it is. Airline execs have crapped the bed, and the panic is becoming palpable. |
Originally Posted by outaluckagain
(Post 1862984)
Signing bonuses don't replace hourly increases and retention and signing bonuses are temporary.
I know some kid who failed 5 checkrides, literally busted bravo flying his family the DAY AFTER HIS PRIVATE CHECKRIDE, was arrested for MJ, and I know of at least one altitude deviation while he was a CFI and should be nowhere near any airplane, ever. He keeps texting me because somehow the guy made it to 1500 (BIC time anyone????) and he's choosing his company of choice out of 4 offers. Most of them with a cash bonus, this dood is a good guy (fun to party with) but is aviation inept and a complete danger to society. Meanwhile, half the places he has an offer for he'll see the left seat as soon as he hits 1000 121. Until you limit the bottom feeder scumbag operations ability to hire a disaster waiting to happen like this I'm not convinced things will ever change. There's plenty more where he came from. |
Lufthansa trains cadets in Phoenix, among other places.
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Originally Posted by FaceBiter
(Post 1862992)
And it works like a charm because all the riddle rat/ATP flight school/inept types are buying the BS by the truck full.
I know some kid who failed 5 checkrides, literally busted bravo flying his family the DAY AFTER HIS PRIVATE CHECKRIDE, was arrested for MJ, and I know of at least one altitude deviation while he was a CFI and should be nowhere near any airplane, ever. He keeps texting me because somehow the guy made it to 1500 (BIC time anyone????) and he's choosing his company of choice out of 4 offers. Most of them with a cash bonus, this dood is a good guy (fun to party with) but is aviation inept and a complete danger to society. Meanwhile, half the places he has an offer for he'll see the left seat as soon as he hits 1000 121. Until you limit the bottom feeder scumbag operations ability to hire a disaster waiting to happen like this I'm not convinced things will ever change. There's plenty more where he came from. |
Originally Posted by atpcliff
(Post 1862751)
There ARE tonnes of pilots with their ATP, both flying now and in training...they are flying for Lufthansa, Chinese airlines, and other Asian airlines. The numbers the FAA puts out include all foreign pilots.
Atlas hired quite a few last year, and their net gain was less than five. They tried to expand, but could not. Salaries? I'd call going from $12K/month to $25K/month a big pay increase...it is happening in various parts of Asia, starting with China. They aren't paying more because of a surplus of pilots. Guys leaving UAL during class, turning down class dates at the majors....that is a sign of the pilot shortage. |
^^ Cliff is essentially a part-time pilot mythology and folklore scholar so his comments should be taken with that in mind.
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Originally Posted by atpcliff
(Post 1863204)
Lufthansa trains cadets in Phoenix, among other places.
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Originally Posted by outaluckagain
(Post 1862980)
Don't jump to conclusions. The only ridiculous argument is the current FO starting pay. People just can't afford to work for such low wages. Major airlines could stand to fork over a little more to keep the system running. They are able to supplement quite a bit from their expansive international system...as an example.
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Originally Posted by Cubdriver
(Post 1862750)
And how much did they raise the pay to help solve this situation? I interviewed with them in 2014, did fine in the Redbird sim, probably did ok on the tech exam and face to face chat, but was told no thanks and no longer received replies to any of my emails.
Originally Posted by Cubdriver
(Post 1863249)
^^ Cliff is essentially a part-time pilot mythology and folklore scholar so his comments should be taken with that in mind.
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Originally Posted by TallFlyer
(Post 1863365)
...It could be that his perspective is a little wider than yours.
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