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I don't accuse you of siding with the RAA, I accused you of working for them. You spend a massive amount of time pushing their agenda in these and other forums using this and probably other screen names. You actively discourage pilots from seeking higher wages and you attack any point of view that is contrary to the agenda of BB and his RAA cohorts. Then you have the audacity to try to dance your way out of it and misquote me and everybody else.
I also don't specifically have a problem with new first officers who have low time...everyone must start somewhere. I have a problem with policies that restrict all hiring to entry level positions only and rock bottom pay causing a severely low level of company wide experience during periods of rapid hiring and/or expansion such as now. Higher wages would attract higher experienced pilots...this is a proven fact and not something you can just pretend isn't true.
A balanced hiring system at these airlines that attracts seasoned and high time pilots as well as low time pilots with pay being commensurate with experience would be a far better solution for safety.
People would be safer if their pilots were better trained by the companies. So people get afraid that their airplane is in imminent danger because of this moron's article. The first thing Congress would do would be increase training requirements to get hired. That cost is going to roll down hill.
Ha! I didn't know PR and lobbying firms required you to pay for your own training.
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I'm not going to bother reporting you to a mod....it's a waste of my time. Please stop with the childish insults.
I don't accuse you of siding with the RAA, I accused you of working for them. You spend a massive amount of time pushing their agenda in these and other forums using this and probably other screen names. You actively discourage pilots from seeking higher wages and you attack any point of view that is contrary to the agenda of BB and his RAA cohorts. Then you have the audacity to try to dance your way out of it and misquote me and everybody else.
I have made my points clear in the past on training. Airlines spend too much time on transition and upgrade training which causes the very domino effect described in the article.
I also don't specifically have a problem with new first officers who have low time...everyone must start somewhere. I have a problem with policies that restrict all hiring to entry level positions only and rock bottom pay causing a severely low level of company wide experience during periods of rapid hiring and/or expansion such as now. Higher wages would attract higher experienced pilots...this is a proven fact and not something you can just pretend isn't true.
A balanced hiring system at these airlines that attracts seasoned and high time pilots as well as low time pilots with pay being commensurate with experience would be a far better solution for safety.
There! That is the exact nonsensical statements that tell me you're not likely a real pilot....unless of course you aren't a real pilot...then it's a true statement because it's very likely paying a RAA public relations worker more money would have no effect on aviation safety.
Regional airline training is actually quite good from what I've seen lately. It's come a long way from the old days when I flew 19 seaters. I doubt Congress is interested in changing that and making pilots pay for it...besides, it's not possible to pay regional pilots any less at this point.
Ha! I didn't know PR and lobbying firms required you to pay for your own training.
I don't accuse you of siding with the RAA, I accused you of working for them. You spend a massive amount of time pushing their agenda in these and other forums using this and probably other screen names. You actively discourage pilots from seeking higher wages and you attack any point of view that is contrary to the agenda of BB and his RAA cohorts. Then you have the audacity to try to dance your way out of it and misquote me and everybody else.
I have made my points clear in the past on training. Airlines spend too much time on transition and upgrade training which causes the very domino effect described in the article.
I also don't specifically have a problem with new first officers who have low time...everyone must start somewhere. I have a problem with policies that restrict all hiring to entry level positions only and rock bottom pay causing a severely low level of company wide experience during periods of rapid hiring and/or expansion such as now. Higher wages would attract higher experienced pilots...this is a proven fact and not something you can just pretend isn't true.
A balanced hiring system at these airlines that attracts seasoned and high time pilots as well as low time pilots with pay being commensurate with experience would be a far better solution for safety.
There! That is the exact nonsensical statements that tell me you're not likely a real pilot....unless of course you aren't a real pilot...then it's a true statement because it's very likely paying a RAA public relations worker more money would have no effect on aviation safety.
Regional airline training is actually quite good from what I've seen lately. It's come a long way from the old days when I flew 19 seaters. I doubt Congress is interested in changing that and making pilots pay for it...besides, it's not possible to pay regional pilots any less at this point.
Ha! I didn't know PR and lobbying firms required you to pay for your own training.
Also, only an ignorant fool would fall for "safety issues are fixed if you pay employees more." If the shoe fits...
If there is a critical safety issue then we should fix it immediately. Right now. What is your recommendation? I'm not going to sit idly by while you try to devalue my hard work by calling me dangerous and risk to public safety...especially when there is a very good chance I'm a better stick than you anyway.
The only way this pay problem gets fixed is if mainline pilots take scope back.
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They don't take scope back, they have to buy it back. They sold scope for $$$. We know airline pilots are not about to give up money, so where does that leave us? It means the airlines themselves have to be willing to fly near 100 seat aircraft on their certificate. It's no longer up to pilots.
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They don't take scope back, they have to buy it back. They sold scope for $$$. We know airline pilots are not about to give up money, so where does that leave us? It means the airlines themselves have to be willing to fly near 100 seat aircraft on their certificate. It's no longer up to pilots.
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Wow. No one is saying that a pilot making 20K a year can't be as safe as one making 200K. The problem is offering that by paying these lower wages, you are opening the door to less competent pilots as well. This is because a number ofpeople that might otherwise be more competent won't pursue the career field for that much. It also increases turnover, there by taking some of that valuable experience out of the industry, making it less safe.
So while Cbreezy may very well be Maverick of the regional airlines, I guarantee there are a number of people, albeit a relative minority, that are airline pilots only because more competent peoe opted not to work for such measly pay and work rules.
So while Cbreezy may very well be Maverick of the regional airlines, I guarantee there are a number of people, albeit a relative minority, that are airline pilots only because more competent peoe opted not to work for such measly pay and work rules.
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We should all be concerned with public perception.
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