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Old 04-24-2015, 10:14 AM
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Originally Posted by CBreezy View Post
... It's a United flight number painted in United colors. Every single person I talk to thinks that if says United on the side it's owned and operated by United.
Don't forget that in many cases it actually is a United jet which is owned or leased by United and simply operated by the regional affiliate. United even owns the slots, the gates, sells the tickets and publishes the fancy magazine in the seat back pocket. United creates and owns the logo on the side of the plane and directly profits from the passengers it flies.

The only thing that's not United is the crews and usually the ground handling personnel...and of course the certificate. This is the very definition of union busting outsourced labor. The bizarre thing is that the unions sanctioned it and allowed it...the very thing unions are supposed to prevent.

Clearly we've come to the point where unions now work for management and not for the workers they supposedly represent. So when are pilots going to wake up and stop voting in these unions....{cough}** Jet**{cough}**blue!!
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Old 04-24-2015, 10:37 AM
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Don't forget that in many cases it actually is a United jet which is owned or leased by United and simply operated by the regional affiliate. United even owns the slots, the gates, sells the tickets and publishes the fancy magazine in the seat back pocket. United creates and owns the logo on the side of the plane and directly profits from the passengers it flies.

The only thing that's not United is the crews and usually the ground handling personnel...and of course the certificate. This is the very definition of union busting outsourced labor. The bizarre thing is that the unions sanctioned it and allowed it...the very thing unions are supposed to prevent.

Clearly we've come to the point where unions now work for management and not for the workers they supposedly represent. So when are pilots going to wake up and stop voting in these unions....{cough}** Jet**{cough}**blue!!
A union at a major is a necessity. Corporate greed inundates all of our society and the mainline airline industry is no exception. This is one of the few occupations that mandate the protections offered by a union. Otherwise all those 777 captains would be flying for CRJ rates.

I do agree with you about the outsourcing. It should have not happened, but at the time in meant more money in the pockets of pilots who I am sure are mostly retired with a huge pension. They got what they needed out of the deal though....right .
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Old 04-24-2015, 10:37 AM
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Originally Posted by NineGturn View Post
Don't forget that in many cases it actually is a United jet which is owned or leased by United and simply operated by the regional affiliate. United even owns the slots, the gates, sells the tickets and publishes the fancy magazine in the seat back pocket. United creates and owns the logo on the side of the plane and directly profits from the passengers it flies.

The only thing that's not United is the crews and usually the ground handling personnel...and of course the certificate. This is the very definition of union busting outsourced labor. The bizarre thing is that the unions sanctioned it and allowed it...the very thing unions are supposed to prevent.

Clearly we've come to the point where unions now work for management and not for the workers they supposedly represent. So when are pilots going to wake up and stop voting in these unions....{cough}** Jet**{cough}**blue!!
It's likely that JB pilots want alpa integration protections if they merge with another alpa carrier.
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....like Virgin who also just voted in a union for very similar purposes.
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Old 04-24-2015, 11:13 AM
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I think our only real shot at meaningful change is getting out of the Railway Labor Act. But Joe Public and Congress would hate that because fares would go up.
I'm surprised more people aren't ticked off about this and that the unions aren't spending more time fighting it versus fighting management that uses it as a stall tactic.
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I'm surprised more people aren't ticked off about this and that the unions aren't spending more time fighting it versus fighting management that uses it as a stall tactic.
Fighting Congressional Acts is a lot more difficult and time/financially consuming than dealing with management
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Old 04-24-2015, 11:24 AM
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I'm surprised more people aren't ticked off about this and that the unions aren't spending more time fighting it versus fighting management that uses it as a stall tactic.
There is absolutely no incentive for congress to change / amend this act. Firstly, ALPA lobbyist cannot even come close to the "contributions", aka bribes, that the airlines offer. Secondly, why would congress amend an act that provides years of stall tactics to management and keeps aircraft in the air making their constituents happy? Why would anyone help out the over-privileged, overpaid, egotistical (not being sarcastic with egotistical) pilot? . The act will not change.
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