HighxFlight

I am currently not employed by 121 airline. I don't have first hand knowledge about the movement from the regionals to the majors. My question is for current/recent regional pilots.

Question: Are you actually seeing your friends/co-workers being hired on by the majors? If so, generally what do their resumes look like (in terms of hours, ect..)

Realtalk

Bro fist- for the truth brother.

TheGoldenJet

Facebiter is a highly qualified female FO with a good reputation.

hijo

Legacies: Captains with thousands of 121 PIC hours or well qualifed minority FO's.

LLC: Experienced FO's

Regionals: Anyone with a pulse and the minimums.

CAirBear

Are you kidding me? Outside of the, obvious females, I know of plenty of senior FO's with no prior TPIC (non minority btw) and CAs with, if I had to guess, 4-5k PIC leaving where I am at.

I know, personally, anyone over 10k TT is a huge negative to United (at the moment). A good CA, who I fly with regularly, was told this directly at a job fair recently. This is absolutely moronic considering all of these guys who were stuck at regionals at no fault of their own. Of course this being held as a negative, according to the algorithm all the legacies use (which is beyond stupid) will change at some point, but for the time being anyone with a crap load of time is at a disadvantage.

From everything I gather is if you have 7-10 internal LORs, between 5-7k TT and maybe a few hundred to 1500+ TPIC your chances are pretty decent your phone is going to be ringing. I read the United thread a lot (my number 1 choice) and it sounds like job fairs, while good, don't really help you in earning points per the algorithm they use.

I truly don't get it. Leave it to HR people who never deal with pilots to come up with a bunch of stupid idiotic BS to determine who is actually worthy of an interview. Why in the hell can we not go back to the days of "Hey Chief, heres a guys resume who is, safe, professional, works well with others and would be a great asset to XXX airline" is beyond me. Stop being so damn scared of discrimination lawsuits. Good lord.

Hang in there. Eventually the numbers equal out to everyone getting a job sooner than later.

deltajuliet

I know a few Expressjet FO's with 2-3 years' experience who just got on with Allegiant. Not a huge jump but it's something.

As for females and minorities, why is that? Do airlines have some legal quota they have to meet? Who enforces it? If not, why do they do it?

deltajuliet

Females make up 50% of the population, but significantly less of the pilot workforce. Probably <5%. Do these "discrimination" laws not consider that glaring discrepancy? I figure the amount of females hired only for their gender is negligible, so I'm not losing sleep over it, but if there is such a regulatory policy it ought to factor in the preexisting demographical makeup of a particular career field.

deltajuliet

Since we're on the subject, I'll just share a story I heard a few weeks ago. Years and years ago, a pilot I flew with was trying to get on with United. At the time he happened to jump seat with a UAL crew, male Captain and recently hired female FO. They were discussing his efforts to get hired when the FO asked how many hours he had.

"5 or 6," he replies.

She answers, "Oh, you might need a little more. A CFI friend of mine just got hired and she has around 800."

The Captain shakes his head and says, "No, he means 5 or 6 thousand."

Packrat

That's par for the course at UAL. Back in 1990 when I was getting out of the Navy, my stepfather (a UAL Capt.) hand carried my stuff into HR. With 5200 military hours, 2000 in C-9s they told him I was "overqualified."

Not necessarily true. There is no pilot shortage now, nor will there ever be. Just look at all the grey haired Eagle pilots strolling around DFW. If you don't think a regional gig could be your last stop on the pyramid, think again. There's a whole subculture of pilots out there in the world...Part 91, Part 135, Part 121 supplemental...virtually all of them are looking for a better gig.

LargeMarge

In all seriousness, this is spot on.