Originally Posted by FirstClass (Post 1883542)

We're everywhere. We can't be stopped. You too will be assimilated.

Originally Posted by Realtalk (Post 1883590)

First-class nominated for tool of day. Everybody else at PSA I feel sorry for yoy, I would be embarrassed if I had to share a cockpit with a dbag like this.

Originally Posted by ChickHicks (Post 1883520)

Really?!? SFO and Asiana come to mind.

Originally Posted by Realtalk (Post 1883590)

First-class nominated for tool of day. Everybody else at PSA I feel sorry for yoy, I would be embarrassed if I had to share a cockpit with a dbag like this.

Originally Posted by Skyvector (Post 1883558)

LOL LOL LOL LOL

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view4/215...laughing-o.gif GIFSoup

I can't.....I can't even take it anymore. I'm done.

Any and all of you considering PSA: Please go there. Don't hesitate. Go there now. In 12 to 18 months we will all pop the courvoisier, revisit all these old posts and have a good ole' fashioned "I told you so" party.

Of course, the usual suspects will have disappeared like farts in the wind: CLT Guy, Joliet, Pagey, PSAJOBS, Economy Class, and the rest of the gang.

Oh, and Tom11011: I'm not sure if you think you are still fooling anybody or not...but it's no secret to anybody that you are part of the PSA Cheerleader pajama party. Sorry if you thought you were flying under the radar this whole entire time.

Originally Posted by DaytonOriginal (Post 1883142)

Dear PSAJOBS,

In order to assist you in your recruiting efforts I have highlighted some major issues facing current and future PSA pilots in which your clarification may ultimately help the decision making process for qualified professional pilots looking for employment.

Pay Discrepancy Reports:

For all of you unfamiliar with PSA payroll, this is used to bring attention to the fact that you have not been paid properly (paid LESS than you are owed). If you come to PSA, be prepared to spend significant time auditing your paycheck because the company will consistently pay you less than what you are rightfully owed. Any pilot who has been here for some time has filled out countless discrepancy reports. So please explain to me why a company that has been around for a few decades cannot properly pay its pilots? This isn't a once or twice per year type of thing, this issue happens on a regular basis. The best part is, once you catch a mistake and file the report the company will usually acknowledge that they shorted your pay and agree to correct it, however when you check back a few days later you will notice nothing has been corrected. So you get the enjoyment of filing another report for the same issue. If this sounds like a fun way to spend your days off, come to PSA. For those of you who think a quick glance at a paycheck is not a big deal, the payroll system is such a disaster it does not allow for a quick review. You will need to cross check 4 different sources that are available at completely different times of the month in order to ensure you were paid correctly. The paycheck does not display the number of hours you are being paid for, it's simply a dollar amount. I have helped several new hire pilots check their pay and most of them were missing hundreds of dollars in per diem, and they had only been flying the line for a couple of months. How much of your personal time are you willing to dedicate to payroll accounting?

Training:

I've heard from multiple sources the Captain upgrade fail rate is now at 50%. A quick upgrade is a great thing to chase after, however explaining in an interview why you busted a 121 upgrade ride would be unfortunate. I have also heard multiple rumors that some new hire pilots who wash out of training are being offered jobs as ground instructors. Do you want to come here and put your training record on the line?

SSP:

If you get hired at PSA right now you may have a 20 year wait until you will interview at AA. We are currently in talks to increase our preferential interview numbers with management. However, as the LOA was written, the company has complete discretion on whether the number is increased at all. We currently have rights to 48 slots per year assuming AA is hiring every month of the year. Let's say they revise the SSP and take 100 a year (I highly doubt they will). If you are hired as pilot 1200 on our list you may have 11 years to wait (assuming the top 100 have bypassed). Any new hire will presently have +1000 pilots on property with rights to AA before them. If you want to fly for AA do you think you could make it there faster by going to another regional?

These issues should be important to pilots considering employment at any regional airline, so I ask PSAJOBS to address these concerns in order to provide a clear picture of the current environment at PSA.

Originally Posted by pagey (Post 1883651)

Are you still mad because I refuted your "displacement" argument?

Originally Posted by Skyvector (Post 1883679)

Refuted what? Breaking news: You proved your ignorance even further by quoting your vacancy bid section and thinking it's the same thing as a displacement. You think the two work exactly the same? You think the rules for both are the same?

You would, because you are clueless. Don't worry, you will learn soon enough how it all works. People who have been through displacements at other airlines have tried over and over to get through to you but you are just clueless. That is the PSA motto.

Oh, and you think reduction in flying is something distant from PSA? Ha! You are hopeless, but here we go again: Just last year PSA was reducing block hours. Back then PSA was small enough that it didn't cause any displacements...but a similar reduction in block hours today would be a different story. Learn from history. Ask pilots who were at TSA and Gojets between 2005-2008 time frame how it works. Ask them how many Captains got bumped back to the Right Seat during that time frame...and they weren't upgrading FO's out of seniority order the way PSA is doing....you have a storm brewing and are just too blind/ignorant to notice. Hopefully prospective newhires will listen to those of us who have been in this industry for over a decade and not make the mistake you did.

Originally Posted by YNWA1892 (Post 1883688)

For a profession that should be full of adults, there sure are a lot of children on both sides of this argument. All I gather from this is it sucks to be a regional pilot whether you work for PSA, Envoy or any other regional. No surprise there. God forbid either side just show up and do their job and fly and keep their passengers safe rather than have a small dick contest online. I remember when I was a CFI and every one told me about how awesome it was to be a regional pilot... O wait no one told me that, they told me they were over worked and underpaid. PSA sucks, Envoy sucks, Republic sucks, and so on. Every ones situation is different from the next. Some people will benefit from going to PSA some will benefit from other career choices. Do what benefits you and not the next guy when you join a regional. We're all different and can't please every one. We're all underpaid and over worked. If you didn't know that coming in, I feel bad for you. For most people this is a stepping stone and the industry is build around that concept. Stop *****ing about who screwed who and who is a ****ty regional. Put on your uniform shave your face and show up and do the best you can or leave.

Originally Posted by sublime259 (Post 1883528)

I wasn't sure if I was reading that right. So let me get this straight, PSAJOBS....You don't care if a PSA pilot knows how to land from a visual, just as long as they know their systems and flows? Speechless, but somehow not surprised. I hope to God that my family nor myself are ever onboard a PSA aircraft. Unfreakinbelievable.

Originally Posted by sweetholyjesus (Post 1883712)

Amen. It's sad there are 5 or 6 PSA threads at the top of the list all the time, all arguing about the same stuff. You'd think this is the first whipsaw ever. Shouldn't people be more upset at AAG, vs. the latest the regional they strong-armed :confused:

Originally Posted by sweetholyjesus (Post 1883712)

Amen. It's sad there are 5 or 6 PSA threads at the top of the list all the time, all arguing about the same stuff. You'd think this is the first whipsaw ever. Shouldn't people be more upset at AAG, vs. the latest the regional they strong-armed :confused:

Originally Posted by PSASUX (Post 1883774)

Why the hell would you offer someone an instructor position that cannot pass training? The last thing we need is some flunky teaching the new hires. Speaks volumes for our manager of training.

Originally Posted by Dunkin (Post 1883819)

It is because Envoy finally got their whipsaw cherry broken and they are all emotional about it, they had it pretty good for a while but unfortunately they now have to deal with the open market.

All the former Comair guys here (who actually went on strike) just laugh when some relatively inexperienced Envoy guy calls PSA pilots scabs.

Originally Posted by Lvlng4Spd (Post 1883839)

Hey, so when is PSA starting to interview for street captains?

Originally Posted by PilotCrusader (Post 1883832)

Scabs

(filler)

Originally Posted by chrisreedrules (Post 1883841)

It's already happening

Originally Posted by Dunkin (Post 1883819)

It is because Envoy finally got their whipsaw cherry broken and they are all emotional about it, they had it pretty good for a while but unfortunately they now have to deal with the open market.

All the former Comair guys here (who actually went on strike) just laugh when some relatively inexperienced Envoy guy calls PSA pilots scabs.

Originally Posted by Dunkin (Post 1883819)

It is because Envoy finally got their whipsaw cherry broken and they are all emotional about it, they had it pretty good for a while but unfortunately they now have to deal with the open market.

All the former Comair guys here (who actually went on strike) just laugh when some relatively inexperienced Envoy guy calls PSA pilots scabs.

Originally Posted by DaytonOriginal (Post 1883868)

If you are removed from your 20 hour 4 day and end up flying 8 hours...

Originally Posted by Ex lurker (Post 1883859)

You must be unfamiliar with the history of American Eagle aka envoy.

Originally Posted by JetDoc (Post 1883873)

Are you at least pay protected?

Originally Posted by DaytonOriginal (Post 1883868)

PSAJOBS is awfully quiet. Nothing further to add about the payroll issues, recent upgrade pass rate and decade long SSP wait?

What about 7 hours for "real time" SAP trades to process?

Also if you are excited to come here and get off of reserve quickly think again. Due to the growth we have check airmen constantly doing IOE. If you get a trip that pairs you up with a check airman guess what happens? You get displaced. Which allows the company to assign long call reserve or more than likely assign some inefficient scraps to you. You will be used as a reserve pilot. If you are removed from your 20 hour 4 day and end up flying 8 hours, will this slow your progress as far as getting 1000 hours 121 for the upgrade?

This is a constant complaint I hear from the new hires.

Originally Posted by Dunkin (Post 1883875)

I am very familiar with it and have friends that are long time employees of Envoy. Anyone that does not agree with the "world is against us" metality is labeled uninformed or misguided.

Originally Posted by Dunkin (Post 1883875)

I am very familiar with it and have friends that are long time employees of Envoy. Anyone that does not agree with the "world is against us" metality is labeled uninformed or misguided.

Originally Posted by Skyvector (Post 1883912)

First, I agree that the 16 year contract insulated American Eagle (Envoy) from the Regional market for too much for too long. Too many of our pilots as a result became disconnected to the realities around them which in turn led to the absolute nonsense we saw in 2014 when 70% of Envoy pilots rejected a perfectly good contract under the premise of "Nobody else can staff". PSA didn't make Envoy vote NO to that contract and in so far as that goes Envoy has nobody to blame but themselves.

But prior to that 16 year contract the whipsaw game was alive and well at AA with all the various Eagles. Yes, we were a collection of various wholly owned companies who flew under the "American Eagle" brand prior to 1997, just like today. Except back then there were many more than 3. All the Eagles back then were whipsawed against one another with extreme prejudice. Things got ugly...and I don't mean "acting like children on the internet" ugly. I'm talking about actual fights in crew rooms between pilot groups and more.

Then in 1997 we were all merged as American Eagle and lived under a 16 year contract. That contract provided stability in what is a very unstable industry. Most importantly it protected us from the worse era in aviation history: 9/11 and the fallout of the next decade.

Originally Posted by DaytonOriginal (Post 1885129)

Still no clarification from PSAJOBS. For those of you looking to gather info this should be rather telling. PSAJOBS is clearly a representative of management tasked with spreading rainbows and sunshine over the internet to help with recruiting efforts. I believe she originally said she was here to answer questions about PSA. Yet when faced with the harsh truth and tough questions PSAJOBS has no answer. PSAJOBS is not a line pilot, so how valuable is her opinion on the subject? Ask the pilots if you want to know what its like to fly for PSA.

Originally Posted by Skyvector (Post 1883912)

First, I agree that the 16 year contract insulated American Eagle (Envoy) from the Regional market for too much for too long. Too many of our pilots as a result became disconnected to the realities around them which in turn led to the absolute nonsense we saw in 2014 when 70% of Envoy pilots rejected a perfectly good contract under the premise of "Nobody else can staff". PSA didn't make Envoy vote NO to that contract and in so far as that goes Envoy has nobody to blame but themselves.

Originally Posted by Cujo665 (Post 1885149)

We have sent more than 50% of new hire classes to AA the past several months. If we had a huge hard number fleet plan; do you think we'd have sent 66% instead of 50% recently? No, we'd ALWAYS get only the minimum.

Originally Posted by FirstClass (Post 1885156)

That's only because of Envoy's shrink and furlough plan. They don't want to lose all the pilots before you guys have to shutdown.

Do us all the favor and at least admit that as you shrink, your labor costs go higher since the top 300 can't or won't be moving on.

Originally Posted by FirstClass (Post 1885146)

Ask away. 6 month upgrades and 3 new airplanes per month make for exciting times around here. It's a good time to be a PSA pilot. Nothing lasts forever so get in while its good.:)

Originally Posted by PilotCrusader (Post 1885213)

Youre full steam into moronvillenthis morning kiddo. Are going full troll now? Don't go full troll. You aren't very good at it. You need to be more subtle. Using bait like "envoy closing down(which is stupid) is not subtle enough. I'll give you a few points for the 300 lifers part, though it is more like 217.

Originally Posted by PilotCrusader (Post 1885221)

Let me know how many airplanes you get next month.
You have 1200 pilots. Adding any more is just filling up your FO ranks. A pilot can do that at any regional right now and see a decent upgrade. The good thing is over. Trying to rope in others based on false info is wrong. May God have mercy on your soul!