Dear PSAJOBS
 

Dear PSAJOBS,

In order to assist you in your recruiting efforts I have highlighted some major issues facing current and future PSA pilots in which your clarification may ultimately help the decision making process for qualified professional pilots looking for employment.

Pay Discrepancy Reports:

For all of you unfamiliar with PSA payroll, this is used to bring attention to the fact that you have not been paid properly (paid LESS than you are owed). If you come to PSA, be prepared to spend significant time auditing your paycheck because the company will consistently pay you less than what you are rightfully owed. Any pilot who has been here for some time has filled out countless discrepancy reports. So please explain to me why a company that has been around for a few decades cannot properly pay its pilots? This isn't a once or twice per year type of thing, this issue happens on a regular basis. The best part is, once you catch a mistake and file the report the company will usually acknowledge that they shorted your pay and agree to correct it, however when you check back a few days later you will notice nothing has been corrected. So you get the enjoyment of filing another report for the same issue. If this sounds like a fun way to spend your days off, come to PSA. For those of you who think a quick glance at a paycheck is not a big deal, the payroll system is such a disaster it does not allow for a quick review. You will need to cross check 4 different sources that are available at completely different times of the month in order to ensure you were paid correctly. The paycheck does not display the number of hours you are being paid for, it's simply a dollar amount. I have helped several new hire pilots check their pay and most of them were missing hundreds of dollars in per diem, and they had only been flying the line for a couple of months. How much of your personal time are you willing to dedicate to payroll accounting?

Training:

I've heard from multiple sources the Captain upgrade fail rate is now at 50%. A quick upgrade is a great thing to chase after, however explaining in an interview why you busted a 121 upgrade ride would be unfortunate. I have also heard multiple rumors that some new hire pilots who wash out of training are being offered jobs as ground instructors. Do you want to come here and put your training record on the line?

SSP:

If you get hired at PSA right now you may have a 20 year wait until you will interview at AA. We are currently in talks to increase our preferential interview numbers with management. However, as the LOA was written, the company has complete discretion on whether the number is increased at all. We currently have rights to 48 slots per year assuming AA is hiring every month of the year. Let's say they revise the SSP and take 100 a year (I highly doubt they will). If you are hired as pilot 1200 on our list you may have 11 years to wait (assuming the top 100 have bypassed). Any new hire will presently have +1000 pilots on property with rights to AA before them. If you want to fly for AA do you think you could make it there faster by going to another regional?

These issues should be important to pilots considering employment at any regional airline, so I ask PSAJOBS to address these concerns in order to provide a clear picture of the current environment at PSA.

It really appears that the recent actions of the PSA MEC, working in collusion with AAG management to whipsaw Envoy, has finally woken up a bunch of sleeping dragons.

Great info finally coming out about this company. I hope prospective pilots read and heed this great advice that's been posted around. Do you really want to be part of this? Do you really want this following you for the rest of you career?

Finally, remember, chasing upgrade is like a hot stock tip. Once you hear about it, it's already too late.

Five threads on the first page and going strong! They hate us, 'cause they ain't us!

If I were you, I'd hate myself!

He isn't a recruiter. Pretty sure he is a CP or some sort of management, as several PSA pilots have called him such, but he hasn't owned up to it. Recently, he made a rather distasteful shot at a PSA pilot on here, and was called out by another PSA pilot for it not only being distasteful, but coming from managent, even worse. He didn't post for a while.

I'm glad it's finally coming to light how much of a scumbag operation PSA is.

The OP posted some valid points.

Thank goodness we have a horrible contract where I have 16 days off next month with most weekends off!

But yea the pay discrepancy is annoying. And if you come here thinking you'll work for AA, I say good luck.

Upgrade training isn't a freebie. Hope that isn't news flash to folks. Even some that did pass, should've flew couple more hundred hours if you've never flown crjs before. But that's my personal opinion.

I don't know if he's a recruiter or not. He's definitely not CP.

He/she started off very professionally answering any PSA related questions. Then the vultures came and attacked this person for no reason and the basic instinct kicked in. Can't say I blame PSAJOBS because many of the APC members are a piece of work. 20 years ago I would've taken them to a dark alley and beat the living crap out of them. Be thankful I met Jesus. :mad:

Yea, its aweful having a nice QOL. I really wish I was a five year FO, with the privilege of spending four days with someone as delightful as yourself.

But how much do you bench?

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You need to ask captain America what's his secret.

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Ok, according to the payroll department there were 15 discrepancies last month. Out of what? 1100? This, according to them is about average unless there is significant weather events then the number goes up. Some are company problems but most are self induced. Don't shoot the messenger.

I just looked at the training stats. Since the expansion started the upgrade pass rate is 91%. That's a fact.

Time to AA? Can't say and neither can you. The SSP will be renegotiated and is there any doubt the numbers will go up?

If someone really knows systems and flows, I don't care if they have trouble landing out of a visual. I know of one who is a credentialed teacher and had years teaching in a high school.
This is a good corporation that tries to give good people opportunities.

But you should know that because this company went way out of their way for you....Right?

I didn't attack anyone. That particular Pilot was so unhappy here I said I would be glad to accept his resignation. That's not an attack, that is just stating a fact.

I have tried to be a professional, can you Pilotcrusader or 404 say the same?

First off, no, 15 is not correct. There were far more. I alone had at least 3.

Training, PSAJOBS is right, it isn't nearly 50%. That is a non issue when considering coming here.

SSP? It's at a minimum 15 years right now. I don't know what level PSAJOBS is at but I can say for a fact when the DO came in to speak to recurrent, he said nothing in the wording compels the company to send more so to not expect much.

The SAP. Great, GREAT tool. No lie, it and the people you fly with makes this place tolerable. That said, it lasts 24 hours and was supposed to be instant turn around for approval/denial. Currently takes upwards of 8 hours to figure itself out making it almost useless. Management's response? Eh, glitch/SABRE issue/not our problem.

If you want your time and then get kicked out the door, come on over. If you want your management to treat you like garbage, this is for you. Want to be a CPA? Practice your skills here by rechecking your pay every month.

On the other hand, odds are you will pass training, you will likely upgrade when you want it, you'll get whatever base you want and you'll be to get days off quickly.

That's the real deal here.

And you don't see how that, on an Internet forum, with the likes of me standing around as an audience, was perhaps a dick move? Kinda makes you even more of a dick.

Fixed it for you

Now here is an honest dude! Bro fist!

I would estimate from reading through this forum PSA is probably the best regional out there right now when you add up all the pluses. Sure, it might suck, but it appears it sucks the least. Not sure what that says.

The upgrade time and sap are probably the best thing going for psa.

Ultimately though psa will have to compete at some point.

Not much anymore :( that's why I said 20 years ago. Now I'm just an Internet warrior *roar!!

If Theonemarine had at least three discrepancies and I had a few myself that would mean the two of us accounted for nearly half of the payroll discrepancies last month. Does that sound realistic to you? 1100 pilots on property and two that happen to be on APC accounted for half of the discrepancies? You state some are company problems but MOST are self induced. So when a flight cancels and one doesn't receive cancellation pay that is somehow the pilot's fault? How does one self induce a short pay check? Sounds like the company is blaming the pilots when their pay is shorted. Thanks for looking into this issue, however I feel you may have been given inaccurate info. Furthermore, you haven't addressed the convoluted payroll system that requires cross checking several sources or the fact that our paycheck doesn't contain a breakdown of the hours which only adds to the confusion.

When you say the pass rate is 91% are you stating that 91% of the pilots who attempt upgrade training pass without failing the oral or PC? Or are you saying 91% make it to the line? If 91% are getting through without ANY training failure on their record that's a very good pass rate. I really hope it is that high. I apologize if my statistic was wrong, as I stated, it was second hand info and the company does not publish these statistics. 91% seems far higher than what pilots who work in the training department have mentioned. So you are stating that PSA is hiring instructors who washed out of training because PSA wants to provide opportunities to good people? Let's not spin this one. You need pilots to fly the line. If someone can't make it to the line but is willing to teach you'll keep them. It's a convenient arrangement born out of the current hiring environment.

If the SSP goes to 5 a month will that be a significant improvement for the most junior pilots? What if it goes to 10? You basically said it'll go up and that we can't have an opinion or estimate on the time it will take to go to AA. Don't you think most new hires would like an estimate? I heard Piedmont has an ad on Facebook that says 3-5 years to AA, why such a different approach at another wholly-owned carrier?

Looking at your rebuttal you have really failed to sway my opinion on any of the issues I mentioned. You stated 15 discrepancies for last month however I find that nearly impossible to believe. If you can support that claim with tangible evidence I'll gladly eat my words. I have a feeling the number is far more than 15. Your 91% pass rate needs clarification. If that's accurate for pilots passing the oral and check ride on the first attempt that's an improvement over what it used to be. You have confirmed that the training department is employing pilots who could not pass training, so that they may train new pilots. As far as the SSP, you said nobody knows but it has to get better, we just don't know how much better. That's not a very strong selling point.

In all seriousness, I do appreciate you looking into these issues. Instead of telling prospective pilots how awesome PSA is with aircraft deliveries and SSP to AA, why doesn't this management team make it a great place to work? As others and myself have pointed out, there is clearly issues that continue to be ignored.

Hopefully all the folks coming from XJT and Eagle add class to the PSA operation. That was always my biggest beef with that company, the professionalism there is severely lacking. Feels like a big group of un-hirable High School dropouts. The E gates ramp freq is god awful and full of guys playing music, farting, calling Jiiiimy, etc. The times I've been up front in the JS I was nowhere near impressed. It's unfortunate there is a flow.

Yup totally agree. Just flew in and out of there today. Thank God I don't get much trips into CLT. Besides the airport being a mess the trash I hear on the radio is just embarrassing. But hey on the brightside these children are flying their first jets! That makes them important.

I had 2 pay issues as well (per diem issues).

I remember republic pilots sitting on the pedestal when they were getting their 175's in massive quantities, also with Gojets. It's ok, reality comes roaring in like a freight train and pretty soon humility sets in. PSA will get theirs soon enough, just like every other flavor of the week regional.

It's a top down management issue. Amateur hour from the very top of the organization. One of my sim partners at mainline was ex-PSA, huge difference in quality of the individual between him and the better commuters in my class. My old company always said they hired for attitude, I can see where they are coming from now. Republic is similar to PSA in that regard, although they have less problems with it.

XJT & ASA, AWAC, Mesaba, & Eagle guys are tops IMO. Always have been. I hope as many as possible can find jobs outside of their 4 year reserve stints. They deserve them.

Dear PSAJOBS
 

Yeah I've never heard anything you mentioned on ramp freq. You are making crap up.



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Annnnnd there's the spin!!!

I've never heard ANY of that on any of the CLT ramp frequencies, including north ramp and/or east ramp (commuter ramps). I think you may be making that up.

Really?!? SFO and Asiana come to mind.

I wasn't sure if I was reading that right. So let me get this straight, PSAJOBS....You don't care if a PSA pilot knows how to land from a visual, just as long as they know their systems and flows? Speechless, but somehow not surprised. I hope to God that my family nor myself are ever onboard a PSA aircraft. Unfreakinbelievable.

We're everywhere. We can't be stopped. You too will be assimilated.

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I can't.....I can't even take it anymore. I'm done.

Any and all of you considering PSA: Please go there. Don't hesitate. Go there now. In 12 to 18 months we will all pop the courvoisier, revisit all these old posts and have a good ole' fashioned "I told you so" party.

Of course, the usual suspects will have disappeared like farts in the wind: CLT Guy, Joliet, Pagey, PSAJOBS, Economy Class, and the rest of the gang.

Oh, and Tom11011: I'm not sure if you think you are still fooling anybody or not...but it's no secret to anybody that you are part of the PSA Cheerleader pajama party. Sorry if you thought you were flying under the radar this whole entire time.

I don't deny it, I'm a fan. I wish I made better choices when I was shopping regional airlines. I'll say it again, quick upgrade and sap system allowing a pilot to choose more time at home instead of money. Those are two big benefits. I'll put it too you, specifically name a better regional to work for and why.

You are more than a "fan" and nobody is buying your BS. You have been calling PSA a "premier airline" for a long time now..Those are your exact words by the way...I can provide exact quotes of yours if you like.

So answer this: if it is so great, and you don't work there (unlikely) why don't you apply? Go there now. Why not? You think it's ok to mislead other pilots into going to PSA but you won't take he plunge? Eitther way, we can all smell the stink from far off.

Oh, and a better/easier question is what airlines are WORSE than PSA. Well, you have Great Lakes. Then Silver. And finally Commutair. The end. Hey, all 3 offer immediate upgrades as well...let's all rush on over, right?

No need, I don't deny it. There is no conspiracy for you to uncover lol.

That would be going backwards for me.

You just dodged the question, that's all you did there. But I'll bite and answer yours. GLA will be out of business this year, probably by end of summer. Silver is just going to shrink to its Gulfstream days flying turboprops in FL. Although all the regional airlines will go out of business when you do the math (number of mainline retirements vs number of regional pilots), I believe the three you mentioned will be the first to go. Probably Republic as well in the next two years. Republic is a different conversation though not related to your point.

I love reading how you guys ride psa pilots. Hey they deserve it. They did it to them selfless by signing the pos contract and bringing the whole regional industry step back (they managed to do impossible). Pathetic!!!!