Is flow really a big deal?
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I have recently signed on with a regional airline... I start training very soon. We do not have flow to the majors. I did not consider flow very much when making my decision. It was more so based on being able to drive to work, contract, pay and current upgrade time.
I have two buddies coming up behind me and they are so determined that the quoted 3-5 year flow to American from PDT is the greatest thing ever, they are not considering any other choices. Not that PDT is a bad choice... I've heard good things and did highly consider them (the outstation bases ultimately knocked them off my list). But is this flow really that big a deal?
I know that Eagle guys who were promised flow ended up sitting there for a long long time. Is flow more of a solid thing now with hiring picking up?
Anyways... Just curious to see what people think.
Take it easy!
I have two buddies coming up behind me and they are so determined that the quoted 3-5 year flow to American from PDT is the greatest thing ever, they are not considering any other choices. Not that PDT is a bad choice... I've heard good things and did highly consider them (the outstation bases ultimately knocked them off my list). But is this flow really that big a deal?
I know that Eagle guys who were promised flow ended up sitting there for a long long time. Is flow more of a solid thing now with hiring picking up?
Anyways... Just curious to see what people think.
Take it easy!
I for one, plan on leaving the comfortable confines of flow to better my resume. In short I don't think it will make or break you, I think in some ways it can cause complacently and slow you down.
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What does your crystal ball say will happen in six months? Probably the same thing we keep hearing at Envoy, there will be good news coming soon. It will be this Monday, then in two weeks, and then another two weeks. It never ends.
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American, on the other hand, has the largest retirement numbers coming up and have really only hired at a slow and steady pace. Aside from the rare few, the majority of new hires have been middle-aged flow thrus.
That being said, if I were new to the 121 world and wanted to go to a legacy (not LCC) then I would go to an airline with a flow.
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The Big 3 Legacies are retiring 20,000 pilots in the next decade, a number which is larger than the current pool of regional pilots.
Short answer, get your stuff together and make applying to all of the above, plus LCCs, your new hobby.
Short answer, get your stuff together and make applying to all of the above, plus LCCs, your new hobby.
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Honestly, I think going anywhere for a flow is stupid. Ask the Envoy guys who have been waiting around the better part of a decade to flow to AA. I know all the PSA, PDT, and Envoy guys on here like to make a show of it, but I don't take it into account much. My goal is to get out of the regionals. If Jet Blue or Spirit or Frontier offers me a job 2 or 3 years from now, I wouldn't stay at my regional airline hoping to flow. I'm getting out. We are all just one economic downturn or major domestic terrorism act away from being on the street anyway. The world economies have faltered in a big way and many have shrunk outright over the past quarter. More and more experts are predicting another recession. We are living in an increasingly hostile world, so I think war is inevitable. Just get in somewhere and cross your fingers. Who cares about flow. And I agree with the OP... If PDT had almost ANYTHING other than outstation basing I probably would of ended up there. But I don't want a 2-leg commute, so I didn't accept.
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They are pretty staggering, but both Delta and United are running some massive classes (or planning on it in the near future.) I just don't see how those two airlines can continue doing so at that rate, even with the projected retirement numbers.
American, on the other hand, has the largest retirement numbers coming up and have really only hired at a slow and steady pace. Aside from the rare few, the majority of new hires have been middle-aged flow thrus.
That being said, if I were new to the 121 world and wanted to go to a legacy (not LCC) then I would go to an airline with a flow.
American, on the other hand, has the largest retirement numbers coming up and have really only hired at a slow and steady pace. Aside from the rare few, the majority of new hires have been middle-aged flow thrus.
That being said, if I were new to the 121 world and wanted to go to a legacy (not LCC) then I would go to an airline with a flow.
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