How will someone with a 1000+ tpic in singles(ie pc12,tbm, etc) fair after a couple years of 121 time? Would it be a resume enhancer at all or completely overlooked?

 

While it is valuable time, it will be mostly overlooked.

 

That's what I meant, it's not an issue for flow through guys, since they have PIC time and the amount does not factor in. They flow based on seniority and their respective agreements.

 

How can PC12 PIC time be valuable but overlooked? For example, let's say you have 2 regional FOs. The first one has only 121 SIC time. The other has 121 SIC and also 1000 PIC turbine in a Pilatus. Who gets the call? If an upgrade isn't guaranteed is it worth it for an FO to leave for a way better paying PC12 job to make them more well rounded?

 

agree except that guy isn't going up against the regional FO he is up against other 121 Captains...thus making his time "unique" but still not gold standard of METPIC

 

A single turbine aircraft is valuable because it shows you can safely operate a complex aircraft within a structured environment (135). It is mostly overlooked because how often do you go international, fly RNAV SID/STAR, FA issues, and the more passengers you carry the more likely you deal with PX issues in flight. Single TPIC is valuable, to an extent, but not as valuable as multi-TPIC in 121/135 environment.

Yes, if everything were exactly the same, the individual with 1000 TPIC would get the call; however, everyone is not the same and there are many variables that have greater emphasis on the application process. You have to realize who is doing the hiring now, HR. GPA, Leadership, Letters of rec, and leadership are key in their mindset. If TPIC was key, why are there thousands of 121/135 captains not being called yet?

I personally would not leave for a PC12 job, but personal life issues might be your deciding factor.

 

How often? Almost every day. No F/A issues though. The question revolved around someone with 121 SIC and PIC in a PC-12. Given the choice, you take the 121 SIC who has also been HMFIC.



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I think what you meant to say was, as far as SOLEY using flight experience as the metric, it's not as competitive as other forms of TPIC. AGAIN, just using flight time as the metric.

The problem is, it's NOT THAT SIMPLE. YMIKE summed it up.

In a sea of applicants, it's NOT just flight time being used. As mentioned, pilots WITHOUT TPIC are getting hired. IF it was based SOLEY on flight time and type of flight time being the SOLE qualifier, you wouldn't see a single non TPIC candidate "get the call". Not now anyway.

A friend of mine has showed me that data. It's not that "more FO's get hired at major airlines". It's simply more FO's leave than CA's in certain months.

Extrapolate how many have left for OTHER REGIONALS and it swings the other direction. You ALSO have to factor in that a larger and larger number of FO's now (vs. earlier hiring eras) are pretty experiences. Military pilots needing currency, a recycled pilot that may have left the career and has NOW entered and needed to be current, etc.

 

Well to recap, I was under the impression it was overall qualifications that will have you stand apart from the rest. In most cases, we are talking about the 8-10 year 121 Fo who go hired with 450 hours.

If we had two applications with say 6000 hours...

1) 6000tt 200 hours pic 5800 sic p121
2) 6000tt 3000 pic 1000tpic(sel) 2000hrs sic p121

Who would stand out on paper?

 

Neither, because the process has been hijacked by HR peeps.... Who has acquired a Master's degree, who has plenty of community service, who has management or 121/135 instructing experience, who has any other "OTHER" boxes checked besides being a basic pilot? Unfortunately things are shifting to "the well rounded candidate" Sorry I don't give a damn if my pilot can speak Spanish and Yiddish, knows all the Microsoft Office programs, was enlisted in the Navy for 8 years, volunteers at the homeless shelter, and can file a TPS report with one hand if he can't land a plane at DCA with a 15 knot crosswind in a 700ft overcast ceiling. But that's the kind of thing that HR peeps are looking at... they aren't judging flying first, they are judging the person's character first and their job skills after, if at all.

I've been told by 2 majors that letters of rec are great, but won't be looked at until the interview (SWA) or at all (Delta) because they don't want undue influence put on the selectors/interviewers.