Vote will not happen for RAH LBFO
08-27-2015 | 10:10 AM
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I don't know one person who wished for you all to lose MIA or LAX or NYC. Like someone else said we don't make those decisions, but it realy is quite sickening to see fellow pilots wishing the worst on another pilot group. While you don't make the decision you should be ashamed of your wishful thinking of the potential demise of a pilot group so you can "get yours".
08-27-2015 | 10:43 AM
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This bickering over whose flying/airplanes go to who... Sheesh.
08-27-2015 | 11:08 AM
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Not all routes were "mainline" routes. Eagle has, and likely will, be used to establish routes that AA never flew. Though, since all Eagle branded flying is on behalf of the brand of AA, it could also be argued that all of this flying is still AA flying.
I do think those claiming "our routes" do have a valid claim of disdain though, since they had been "their routes" for decades.
08-27-2015 | 11:09 AM
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All regionals steal work from mainline. It is laughable that Envoy guys think that they are innocent in all of this. They are as much of the problem as anyone else.
08-27-2015 | 11:16 AM
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Nobody is 'stealing' routes from anyone. This so-called 'regional' flying was set up my management and agreed to by labor when they signed contracts with concessionary scope language.
Most routes that are now flown by 'regional' airlines used to be flown by mainline pilots on mainline airplanes but the pilots voted in contracts allowing it to be flown on smaller airplanes, usually in exchange for larger pay scales on larger airplanes.
If mainline pilots want it back, reject any contract proposal that doesn't include a tightening of scope. Hard to put that toothpaste back into the tube though.
Most routes that are now flown by 'regional' airlines used to be flown by mainline pilots on mainline airplanes but the pilots voted in contracts allowing it to be flown on smaller airplanes, usually in exchange for larger pay scales on larger airplanes.
If mainline pilots want it back, reject any contract proposal that doesn't include a tightening of scope. Hard to put that toothpaste back into the tube though.
08-27-2015 | 11:22 AM
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Yup, AA gave all those DFW-TYR or ORD-MKE routes from the DC3 to Eagle. That should be a 777 route!
Not all routes were "mainline" routes. Eagle has, and likely will, be used to establish routes that AA never flew. Though, since all Eagle branded flying is on behalf of the brand of AA, it could also be argued that all of this flying is still AA flying.
I do think those claiming "our routes" do have a valid claim of disdain though, since they had been "their routes" for decades.
Not all routes were "mainline" routes. Eagle has, and likely will, be used to establish routes that AA never flew. Though, since all Eagle branded flying is on behalf of the brand of AA, it could also be argued that all of this flying is still AA flying.
I do think those claiming "our routes" do have a valid claim of disdain though, since they had been "their routes" for decades.
This whole problem starts and ends with mainline. Regional guys getting mad at each other for the decisions made by people they have no control over is laughable. Stop blaming other regional pilots for this, no one wants to be at a regional in their current form. We all want to be at the next level be it a major, or a regional that can pay a decent wage.
Fight for your worth, mainline needs to cough up the extra dough to fill RJ seats. Flow/preferential interview is crap. I have bills NOW. And that garbage RAH LBFO ain't going to pay them.
08-27-2015 | 12:45 PM
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No, you are getting bad information. AA is the underwriter and guarantor on those aircraft.
The Bank of Brazil and BNDES (Brazil's federally run development bank) loaned money to Republic to purchase the aircraft in the first place. On that document AA guarantees the payments with a clause that the aircraft comes to them if Republic can't fulfill the flying.
Those are the facts. Take it or leave it.
The Bank of Brazil and BNDES (Brazil's federally run development bank) loaned money to Republic to purchase the aircraft in the first place. On that document AA guarantees the payments with a clause that the aircraft comes to them if Republic can't fulfill the flying.
Those are the facts. Take it or leave it.
08-27-2015 | 01:06 PM
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No, you are getting bad information. AA is the underwriter and guarantor on those aircraft.
The Bank of Brazil and BNDES (Brazil's federally run development bank) loaned money to Republic to purchase the aircraft in the first place. On that document AA guarantees the payments with a clause that the aircraft comes to them if Republic can't fulfill the flying.
Those are the facts. Take it or leave it.
The Bank of Brazil and BNDES (Brazil's federally run development bank) loaned money to Republic to purchase the aircraft in the first place. On that document AA guarantees the payments with a clause that the aircraft comes to them if Republic can't fulfill the flying.
Those are the facts. Take it or leave it.
08-27-2015 | 01:56 PM
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