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This website becomes more and more useless every day. Absolutely nothing but trolls and the same dozen people running their mouths like a broken record. Mods still nowhere to be found.
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Quote: Your vision of how it all will go down could happen, I certainly won't argue someone else's logical point of view such as yours. In my view though I don't think its realistic for the majority of Republic pilots to find their way over to another regional if the worst were to happen. How many would be willing to start over? I think the majority would wind up at LCC's, corporate, fractionals, or mainlines. Maybe there will be 500 who go to another regional and start over as an FO. You've got 6 year FO's at RAH now, not many are going to want to sign up for another 5-7 years as an FO at Envoy, heck there are 4 years Envoy FO's on reserve still.

It think it makes more sense to keep the wholly owned regionals flying the feed as long as possible, utilizing carrot flow to keep people in line at a pace set by American (that's whats happening at PSA, until a new deal is reached, 4 interviews per month ie 20 years to AA. But PSA has quick upgrades and direct entry captains to make up for it due to growth for now). It's far easier to just hire Republic pilots into mainline to preserve the feed. I know there is a flow agreement for now, but things can and will change, especially after the 824. I believe most of the upper echelon of Envoy pilots preaching "come here because of the flow" in these forums agree with my point of view but will deny it because they know in order to get their ticket stamped, they need to be replaced by a new sucker.

In the end though, the only thing I know for sure is there isn't enough pilots to staff the regional flying from the void that is coming soon. AA will protect that feed as long as possible, and if that means disregarding the flow to get other pilots in such as skywest and republic, that's what it will be.

If you are AA management and you know you have a pilot problem coming up, what would you do about it to preserve the feed?
Well said. The only advantage for republic guys coming to PDT is our upgrade will drop below a year very soon as we try to double in size.
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Quote: This website becomes more and more useless every day. Absolutely nothing but trolls and the same dozen people running their mouths like a broken record. Mods still nowhere to be found.
Did I say something wrong?
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Quote: I think if you want to be taken at least semi-seriously on this forum, then you should familiarize yourself with both the current flow agreements in place (at envoy and PDT) and the hiring forecasts for AA. To think that AA is going to start hiring Republic pilots just to preserve the feed is so far from realistic, that it's laughable. Here are just a few reasons why;

-RAH is part of AAG's regional feed
-AAG is using the flow as a recruitment tool, so in order to get new-hires, the flow has to work
-The few "off-the-street" new-hire spots that are available over the next few years are going to be going to ex-mil and friends/family
-Did I mention RAH is also part of AAG's regional feed (as well as UAL and DAL)?

Your argument that the flow is nothing but a carrot has zero facts to support it. I can't speak for PDT but I know that envoy is FAR from perfect. Our management team is an absolute embaressment. The flow, however, is currently working as advertised. It has to, otherwise this place would go belly up. I think you're just upset that you work for the biggest undercutting company out there (PSA) and have likely doomed your career to either staying at PSA or jumping to a LCC.
I'm not asking to be taken seriously or not seriously. You Envoy types do tell a great story but not one of you can articulate how Envoy is to survive if all the pilots flow out without the same number flowing in. Let's start with that ok? Enlighten us with the numbers.
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Quote: Did I say something wrong?
No, not directed towards you just a general observation. Look around these threads, with minor exceptions this place has become a joke.
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Quote: They seem to have the highest pay when factoring bonuses. Remember, Comair was owned by Delta. Anything could happen in this industry.
Key word here is "bonus". It's temporary and short sighted. Once the bonus time period is over you go right back down to normal poverty wages.
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Quote: I'm not asking to be taken seriously or not seriously. You Envoy types do tell a great story but not one of you can articulate how Envoy is to survive if all the pilots flow out without the same number flowing in. Let's start with that ok? Enlighten us with the numbers.
At that point it won't be our problem anymore we'll all be at a major.
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Quote: I'm not asking to be taken seriously or not seriously. You Envoy types do tell a great story but not one of you can articulate how Envoy is to survive if all the pilots flow out without the same number flowing in. Let's start with that ok? Enlighten us with the numbers.
28 new-hires last month alone to start. How about all the RAH pilots currently in ORD talking to envoy pilot recruitment?

After being forced into a flow-through program as the result of grievances, AAG has been using that as a recruitment tool. You seem to think that a scenario is going to present itself where AAG has to decide between allowing envoy to flow itself out of existence or breaking an agreement and putting the brakes on the flow. While the pool of new-hire pilots is dwindling, it is far from empty. I don't believe your doomsday scenario is likely. AAG is banking on a constant flow to keep their regional feed flying. Luckily they can hold PSA pilots pretty much indefinitely, while you use your magical 1000 TPIC and wait for that call from UAL and DAL. :roll eyes: I feel like I'm beating a dead horse with you.
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Quote: Not entirely true.

They are WITHHELD at a higher rate but the extra income they represent will be TAXED at your marginal rate. The result is that your refund will be larger, or what you owe will be less, when you file your return next year.
This is simply fixed by changing you withholding status from 1 to 5 or 10. Your bonus is withheld at the higher amout but all of you other checks during the year come a little fatter. This avoids the big refund at the end of the year and gives you more cash during the entire year. Either way, your pay at Endeavor is equivalent to approx $ 47.20/hr including the bonus.
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Quote: Key word here is "bonus". It's temporary and short sighted. Once the bonus time period is over you go right back down to normal poverty wages.
Your thinking belongs in the "past" The industry is in a much different place now than in the days of Comair. Delta has shown their willingness $$$$ to control their product at the regional level with Endeavor. They made a large investment in Endeavor and its paying off with a controlled attrition rate and a product that now for the first time is higher in quality. Its doubtful that Delta, now having control with its product, would simply give that up by not continuing their investment in compensation or otherwise. They know that if those bonuses go away and conditions deteriorate again, they will have the same problems as before-high attrition, cancellations, unreliability(what other regional airlines are experiencing today).
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