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Old 01-29-2007 | 07:41 PM
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If so, I hope they keep it up.

Our training schedule is bulging...lots of work for the part-time guys. A good chunk of that training is Compass type ratings on the 170/190.
drop in the bucket my friend, drop in the bucket.
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Old 01-30-2007 | 04:09 AM
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From what I've seen from your posts, you haven't been around long enough to know the industry from that hole in the ground that you have your head so firmly buried in.

Forty years ago, there were folks bemoaning the passing of the Connies and DC-7s...some years later, the majors quit hiring flight engineers.

Things change. What was isn't ever going to be again. As I have said before, and I'll say it again just for you...either get on the train or stand on the station...because this puppy is leaving. You are either on it or you aren't.

As for the 'industry' as you have put it, I hope you aren't including the box carriers...because they aren't part of it as far as this discussion is concerned. All of the obstacles over the past years have affected only the pax carriers. The advent of the 70-100 pax 'regional' isn't going to impact you at all, so take your phony and ill-educated angst and shove it.

....and the crowd goes wild!!!!
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Old 01-30-2007 | 04:25 AM
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And who relaxed the scope during the early to mid 90s on RJs, to protect widebody pay and other issues?

That's right, mainline pilots back in the day.

Mesaba is getting 36 CRJ900s (equipped with 76 seats)? The way I see it, this is a direct one-on-one replacement for the Avros they lost. There used to be 36, and all of them are gone, and many Mesaba pilots were laid off. This new flying will only help bring back Mesaba to where it was before.
The avro is a niche airplane, used ofr certain routes. If there ever was an "exception" for the madness, the avro was one. The 900 is not in the same category.
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Old 01-30-2007 | 04:34 AM
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Originally Posted by shackone
From what I've seen from your posts, you haven't been around long enough to know the industry from that hole in the ground that you have your head so firmly buried in.

Forty years ago, there were folks bemoaning the passing of the Connies and DC-7s...some years later, the majors quit hiring flight engineers.

Things change. What was isn't ever going to be again. As I have said before, and I'll say it again just for you...either get on the train or stand on the station...because this puppy is leaving. You are either on it or you aren't.

As for the 'industry' as you have put it, I hope you aren't including the box carriers...because they aren't part of it as far as this discussion is concerned. All of the obstacles over the past years have affected only the pax carriers. The advent of the 70-100 pax 'regional' isn't going to impact you at all, so take your phony and ill-educated angst and shove it.
You're very right sir; I am not affected at all by the CRJ700, e.g.. People accuse me of being self -centered, while actually I am really concerned for the people who are coming in this industry behind me. The fact that you compare an update in technology(i.e. ripping out the FE's panel), to by-passing mainline wages(i.e. RJ's), confirms my theory that you are so bitter at this indusrty(i.e. TWA being GOBBLED up by AMR), that you want EVERYONE to go down with you( Misery loves company). You speak on your soap box in clear English with words trying to impress us all. I think, however, you are just a bitter old TWA screwee. In other words, your time has passed. I'm 34 and have a LONNNNGGG way to go in this bidness. You are a has been who has lost sight of what is right, because of your bitterness. Please do not try to brainwash these kids into believing that what is happening is right, because it is not.
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Old 01-30-2007 | 04:58 AM
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Originally Posted by HotMamaPilot
The avro is a niche airplane, used ofr certain routes. If there ever was an "exception" for the madness, the avro was one. The 900 is not in the same category.
Oh come on now. What are we basing this on?

The Avro had 69 seats. The interior had both a first class and an economy class section.

Only difference now, are 7 more seats (total 76 seats).

So what are you basing your opnion on? The "looks" of the airplane? It "looks" mainline?

Mesaba had 36 Avro jets, those all retired, and now they are getting 36 CRJ900s.

Good for them I say, and hopefully all 225~ furloughed Mesaba pilots get called back.
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Old 01-30-2007 | 05:03 AM
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Originally Posted by ShyGuy
Oh come on now. What are we basing this on?

The Avro had 69 seats. The interior had both a first class and an economy class section.

Only difference now, are 7 more seats (total 76 seats).

So what are you basing your opnion on? The "looks" of the airplane? It "looks" mainline?

Mesaba had 36 Avro jets, those all retired, and now they are getting 36 CRJ900s.

Good for them I say, and hopefully all 225~ furloughed Mesaba pilots get called back.
It seems that the AVRO was almost a turbo prop with fans. They used it in aspen, and certain other airport that other jets couldn't get into. Also, it came along before management got the idea to use RJ's as a way of by-passing mainline wages.
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Old 01-30-2007 | 05:09 AM
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It seems that the AVRO was almost a turbo prop with fans. They used it in aspen, and certain other airport that other jets couldn't get into. Also, it came along before management got the idea to use RJ's as a way of by-passing mainline wages.
About the Avro...

The bottom line is it was still USED. 36 of them. That was still 36 jets with 69 seats flying on routes for Northwest in the Northwest Airlink system.

The same will happen under the CRJ900s.

And the Avro wasn't just used for ASE flights.

I remember there was one daily Avro flight from DTW-EWR amongst all the mainline A319/320 and DC9 flights.

That's just one example.
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Old 01-30-2007 | 05:11 AM
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You're very right sir; I am not affected at all by the CRJ700, e.g.. People accuse me of being self -centered, while actually I am really concerned for the people who are coming in this industry behind me. The fact that you compare an update in technology(i.e. ripping out the FE's panel), to by-passing mainline wages(i.e. RJ's), confirms my theory that you are so bitter at this indusrty(i.e. TWA being GOBBLED up by AMR), that you want EVERYONE to go down with you( Misery loves company). You speak on your soap box in clear English with words trying to impress us all. I think, however, you are just a bitter old TWA screwee. In other words, your time has passed. I'm 34 and have a LONNNNGGG way to go in this bidness. You are a has been who has lost sight of what is right, because of your bitterness. Please do not try to brainwash these kids into believing that what is happening is right, because it is not.
Do you ever say anything positive? Sounds to me, from your posts, you might be a little bitter and cynical. Not all of us are kids either, I remember being 34. As for brainwashing, the pilot mills get to the 'kids' before this forum does. If this truly is your view of this industry, maybe you should explore other income opportunities. Leave this profession for the professionals.

Not to be mean spirited but not all is doom and gloom. Look to the future and I think all indicators point towards better days.
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Old 01-30-2007 | 05:17 AM
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Do you ever say anything positive? Sounds to me, from your posts, you might be a little bitter and cynical. Not all of us are kids either, I remember being 34. As for brainwashing, the pilot mills get to the 'kids' before this forum does. If this truly is your view of this industry, maybe you should explore other income opportunities. Leave this profession for the professionals.

Not to be mean spirited buy not all is doom and gloom. Look to the future and I think all indicators point towards better days.
You're a true blue idiot. I work for a certain brown company, and my office is the right half of a machine that dubbs the number 7 and 5 and 7 (and 7 and 6 and 7). So I'm not so sure that I need a second job, dumba$$. I am trying to pull the wool off of the younger peops eyes. You sound like you are management.
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Old 01-30-2007 | 05:22 AM
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You're a true blue idiot. I work for a certain brown company, and my office is the right half of a machine that dubbs the number 7 and 5 and 7 (and 7 and 6 and 7). So I'm not so sure that I need a second job, dumba$$. I am trying to pull the wool off of the younger peops eyes. You sound like you are management.
While UPS is as stable as stable can get, don't ever take anything for granted.

For all you know, you could be out of a job tomorrow. So could I.

No one knows for sure.


You think Pan Am pilots in 1975 thought their airline would tank in 1992? Heck no!

And yes, Cargo is very stable and has been relatively unaffected by the after-effects of 9/11 as far as paycuts and concessions go.


Cargo shipments on planes are still a security threat. Just imagine if al-Qaeda or some other terrorists were successful in getting explosives on multiple cargo airplanes.

You can bet there would be layoffs in the ensuing after math.
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