Originally Posted by waker92 (Post 1972912)

I hear ya! Great points made here. Would there be any stipulations with flows that prohibit someone from getting hired off the street At any of the big 3? Because I think your right, beating the flows into the seniority list would be a dream, but having a flow as an insurance policy is a good thing as well. Just wondering if one prohibits the othe?

Originally Posted by QuagmireGiggity (Post 1972911)

By sacrificing seniority what I mean is if you are going to get hired at a flow airline you will have to wait many years to get over there. Meanwhile if you go get some PIC and make the effort you could get hired off the street or DAL, UAL a lot faster. Retirements will really start to sky rocket around 2019.
Going the flow route has it's merits.. you may not get hired at all so it can be a sort of insurance policy but will sacrifice some seniority.
Since you ask about best option to AA specifically I would probably play it safe and go to a flow airline but still make the effort to get hired straight off the street. It's an individual choice though. Too many factors like where ya want to live and what not.

Originally Posted by billyho (Post 1973064)

Your reasoning would make sense however PSA's upgrade is 1.5 years and Piedmont's is going to be less then a year. So if you're saying going to those airlines and upgrading fast and getting PIC time that Delta and United won't touch you. :rolleyes:

Originally Posted by FlameNSky (Post 1973193)

PSA's upgrade WAS 1.5 years. That has come to a screeching halt due to being full of low time Captains and First Officers. As each month passes, that upgrade time grows. I don't see many of those low time Captains being snatched up by the Majors when there are so many High Time Captains still competing for those jobs which to me, means that their current stagnation will continue.

Originally Posted by billyho (Post 1973239)

Upgrade and getting about 1500 hrs of PIC time seems to be golden ticket.

Originally Posted by chrisreedrules (Post 1973434)

Competitive times are around 3000 TPIC and 5-6,000 TT from the numbers I saw. Some had more, some less (military). The vast majority of those being hired are still regional CAs, with some FOs from places like Endeavor, ASA, and ExpressJet getting hired with all the other boxes checked besides 121 PIC.

Originally Posted by chrisreedrules (Post 1973434)

Competitive times are around 3000 TPIC and 5-6,000 TT from the numbers I saw. Some had more, some less (military). The vast majority of those being hired are still regional CAs, with some FOs from places like Endeavor, ASA, and ExpressJet getting hired with all the other boxes checked besides 121 PIC.

Originally Posted by RyanP (Post 1973505)

Numbers are still higher than that for civilian at DAL, UAL said 7-8k total time..

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Originally Posted by billyho (Post 1973511)

Well that's perfect.

5-6000 hours and 3000 PIC is at least 6-8 years at a regional.

Originally Posted by SqueeG (Post 1973518)

These numbers will come down a LOT over the next decade.