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FirstClass 09-14-2015 08:52 AM


Originally Posted by FlameNSky (Post 1970836)
Regardless of flow, Parker would never merge envoy, PSA, or PDT. He is all about the divide and conquer whipsaw game. When you watch him talk about the regional carriers during the townhall meetings he is very proud of his ability to pit the regional carriers against each other. Not just in compensation but on performance matters as well. Maybe if AAG bought another carrier, I could maybe see him merge PDT with them but even then, I wouldn't be surprised if he didn't and kept it at 4 wholly owned.

Piedmont is being merged with PSA, its in the works.

Lvlng4Spd 09-14-2015 09:13 AM


Originally Posted by FirstClass (Post 1970969)
Piedmont is being merged with PSA, its in the works.

Oh that makes sense lol. That rumor has been rolling around for like 15 years, and now it couldn't be further from the truth. Different fleet plans and vastly different contracts. Three WO's is what AAG wants, one CRJ operator, one E175 operator, and one E145 operator, for now. We become the wholly-owned triforce and will start flying more and more RAH, AWAC, TSA routes for AA. In-house flying, more control...it's good and bad for us as pilots, but that is what they want.

billyho 09-14-2015 01:44 PM

Poor PSA! They are already realizing that our new hires will flow to American before half of there current pilot group.

But you didn't hear that from me.

Lvlng4Spd 09-14-2015 01:54 PM


Originally Posted by billyho (Post 1971243)
Poor PSA! They are already realizing that our new hires will flow to American before half of there current pilot group.

But you didn't hear that from me.

They are starting to make their way over...the smart ones anyway. We need a new slogan...Piedmont, the Smart Choice! Oh...wait...damn you Air Woosterschnitzen!

sublime259 09-14-2015 02:54 PM


Originally Posted by billyho (Post 1970740)
Gamble??? I think it's even funny that we are being compared to Envoy. We know all
Piedmont isn't a Gamble because if you do come here and growth stops guess what??? Your flow will be much faster then Envoy's and definitely a bunch faster then PSA's. There's no Gamble here unless you mean us merging with Envoy would be a gamble. I would think that would be because it would screw up our flow time to American by merging.

Ummm, what? If growth stops at PDT, doesn't that affect your flow numbers? Also, how is PDT's flow much faster then envoy's?

You're starting to sound like FirstClass and spewing things out as fact without providing any proof. While I'm known as an "envoy cheerleader" I'm happy to say I don't have to lie to prospective applicants. I've always told the good, the bad, and the ugly unlike a lot of you.

RyanP 09-14-2015 04:04 PM


Originally Posted by billyho (Post 1970740)
Gamble??? I think it's even funny that we are being compared to Envoy. We know all about worn out planes and old worn out 50 seat 145s will be used as training wheels to get Piedmont's Jet Certificate up and going. The plan is 60 145's and more if we can staff. Honestly I see that easily changing to 175's before the end of next year. Just look around and see what's going on at a few of the Contract Carriers???

Piedmont isn't a Gamble because if you do come here and growth stops guess what??? Your flow will be much faster then Envoy's and definitely a bunch faster then PSA's. There's no Gamble here unless you mean us merging with Envoy would be a gamble. I would think that would be because it would screw up our flow time to American by merging.

Keep dreaming. You really think they are giving you our jets and setting up that whole program as training wheels just so they can start all over again and get bigger one's later? lol. You aren't getting 175's unless you get merged with Envoy. Why would they do everything, and spend all the $$$ to get them set up on our certificate, with the options placed here already after our initial 40.. then waste all that time/money all over again for Piedmont to get them too? Unless you guys plan on signing some PSA type backstabbing deal it isn't happening. Plus, have you seen the scope limitations AA is bumping up against for more 175's or 900's? Pretty much any more would be coming at the expense of something else..

and how exactly is your flow going to be "much" faster than Envoy's at only 4/5 month or whatever if your growth stops? Who cares if we are bigger, we flow a much larger number every month and our pilot group is getting smaller. The flow is pretty even..

Yeah, you are right.. we shouldn't compare Envoy to Piedmont. Envoy has an all jet fleet with over 2000 pilots still. Piedmont has around 400 pilots and ZERO jets transferred to date. Only promises.. AA has been delaying our transfers and awarding more flying to Envoy every month since we can actually staff it and are already current and qualified in the airplanes... not saying they won't "eventually" be transferred, with big delays.. but thinking you are getting 175's too is ridiculous.

billyho 09-14-2015 04:06 PM


Originally Posted by sublime259 (Post 1971279)
Ummm, what? If growth stops at PDT, doesn't that affect your flow numbers? Also, how is PDT's flow much faster then envoy's?

You're starting to sound like FirstClass and spewing things out as fact without providing any proof. While I'm known as an "envoy cheerleader" I'm happy to say I don't have to lie to prospective applicants. I've always told the good, the bad, and the ugly unlike a lot of you.


First off where the hell did I say Piedmont's Flow was faster then Envoys?? If Piedmonts growth stops that's even better for everyone in terms of flow! Are you dumb or something?? Piedmont is NO WHERE near the size of Envoy you nerd and that's our flow advantage! hahahahahahahah Lordy Lordy!

billyho 09-14-2015 04:10 PM

I'm sorry for calling you an dumb. Not cool! I'll just pat you on the head and let you go run outside and play little fella. :-)

QuagmireGiggity 09-14-2015 04:20 PM

We will retire a little over 5000 by 2025. (Out of about 10300).
Even older group at USair.
If you are have your ducks in order get some PIC fast and get hired fast.
If you really want to live in AA base it may be worth it to go Envoy/PDT but could be a sacrifice of future seniority.

billyho 09-14-2015 04:25 PM


Originally Posted by QuagmireGiggity (Post 1971343)
We will retire a little over 5000 by 2025. (Out of about 10300).
Even older group at USair.
If you are have your ducks in order get some PIC fast and get hired fast.
If you really want to live in AA base it may be worth it to go Envoy/PDT but could be a sacrifice of future seniority.

You'll upgrade in less then a Year at Piedmont. What's your point???


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