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RyanP 09-13-2015 05:21 PM

A bright Piedmont future of fleet growth based on old, worn out, used and increasingly unviable/unwanted 50 seat 145's (that haven't even been transferred from Envoy yet) is more of a gamble than going to Envoy I would think.. Seems like Envoy is increasing block hours every month and delaying transfers already to others now since we have the staffing to do the flying.

I have no problem with Piedmont.. but just an observation.

Crawl 09-13-2015 05:27 PM

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PDTpilotXX 09-13-2015 05:27 PM


Originally Posted by RyanP (Post 1970592)
A bright Piedmont future of fleet growth based on old, worn out, used and increasingly unviable/unwanted 50 seat 145's (that haven't even been transferred from Envoy yet) is more of a gamble than going to Envoy I would think.. Seems like Envoy is increasing block hours every month and delaying transfers already to others now since we have the staffing to do the flying.

I have no problem with Piedmont.. but just an observation.

I didn't say our future would be built on 145's... But it will be on jets. They brought Lyle in specifically to grow this place to a similar size as ENY and PSA. Let's hope it works.

ChickHicks 09-13-2015 05:27 PM


Originally Posted by PDTpilotXX (Post 1970585)
If pilots keep coming, we've been told very plainly we will keep getting planes and grow. Hopefully we're staffing for an additional 50 jets by then.

We've known all along they want 3 airlines of similar size. If that holds true you'll still be in good shape for a fast upgrade qualifying you for the other legacies with the flow in your back pocket just in case.

When does the PHL base officially open?
And when does the 145 start flying for PDT?
Thanks

PDTpilotXX 09-13-2015 05:29 PM


Originally Posted by ChickHicks (Post 1970599)
When does the PHL base officially open?
And when does the 145 start flying for PDT?
Thanks

Jan 1 for the dash with 52 spots initially on that plane.
Mid jan - early feb for the 145 base and revenue service.

First 145 to be delivered the end of the first week of OCT.

FlameNSky 09-13-2015 05:33 PM

I wouldn't worry too much if I were a PDT pilot. They have a lot of growth potential. ( I too buy into the belief that Parker wants all three of his wholly owned carriers to be of equal size ) PSA guys probably need to worry. I foresee a lot of stagnation and cancelled aircraft orders in their future.

waker92 09-13-2015 05:40 PM

So who's gonna get into the 145 at PDT? Any new hires? Does anyone think it'll really matter getting into the props vs the jet as far as quality of time

waker92 09-13-2015 05:48 PM


Originally Posted by Crawl (Post 1970597)

This is what it's all about right here. We can all go home now. Good night

PDTpilotXX 09-13-2015 05:51 PM


Originally Posted by waker92 (Post 1970614)
So who's gonna get into the 145 at PDT? Any new hires? Does anyone think it'll really matter getting into the props vs the jet as far as quality of time

Probably be a mix after the first couple bids. If the PHL base does in fact have better schedules then yes. Kinda.

billyho 09-14-2015 03:21 AM


Originally Posted by RyanP (Post 1970592)
A bright Piedmont future of fleet growth based on old, worn out, used and increasingly unviable/unwanted 50 seat 145's (that haven't even been transferred from Envoy yet) is more of a gamble than going to Envoy I would think.. Seems like Envoy is increasing block hours every month and delaying transfers already to others now since we have the staffing to do the flying.

I have no problem with Piedmont.. but just an observation.

Gamble??? I think it's even funny that we are being compared to Envoy. We know all about worn out planes and old worn out 50 seat 145s will be used as training wheels to get Piedmont's Jet Certificate up and going. The plan is 60 145's and more if we can staff. Honestly I see that easily changing to 175's before the end of next year. Just look around and see what's going on at a few of the Contract Carriers???

Piedmont isn't a Gamble because if you do come here and growth stops guess what??? Your flow will be much faster then Envoy's and definitely a bunch faster then PSA's. There's no Gamble here unless you mean us merging with Envoy would be a gamble. I would think that would be because it would screw up our flow time to American by merging.


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