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Old 12-14-2015, 07:19 PM
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Originally Posted by sweetholyjesus View Post
Well the very reason it takes so much effort for us to be able to strike is because we are "essential" to American commerce. So we must be pretty important.

Striking is an important card in a union's negotiating. If the NMB can so easily take away our ability to strike, then what do we have to negotiate? Certainly not labor......
I don't disagree at all.
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Old 12-14-2015, 07:21 PM
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Originally Posted by sweetholyjesus View Post
Agree. I think the amount of distractions and lack of unity is a problem. Which is what frustrates me about associations like ALPA, I simply don't see it's purpose. Such a falsely "unified" organization might even be harmful at this point but I don't think I know nearly enough yet to say for sure..

Scary thought: If ALPA is for safety, maybe unions could unify under a different flag for things like CBAs?
They should. I would rather just give alpa $39 per year like I do AOPA and simply get a free hat in exchange. Save the real work for a union.
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Old 12-14-2015, 07:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Nevets View Post
It's not the only thing but a big part of it. Like it's been said, ALPA is not really ONE union. It's an association of separate unions. Each individual MEC decides what they want or don't want to negotiate for. As for lobbying, the bigger the association, the more influence they exert. That's what there are associations of almost everything special interest you can think of. And corporations hire K street lobbyist in order to exert their influence as well. Without ALPA, things would be way worse just because of this alone!
I completely agree that ALPA and company have had a positive impact, but with such a seemingly vague mission I feel they can't handle everything. Or at least haven't so far. But again, I'm just spewing ideas, I haven't exactly written a thesis on this stuff. Yet..
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Old 12-14-2015, 10:53 PM
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Originally Posted by CBreezy View Post
Take off your tin foil hat. ALPA national is an association of unions.
Seriously? Do you just make up stuff and talk out of your tailpipe much?
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Old 12-15-2015, 12:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Nevets View Post
It's not the only thing but a big part of it. Like it's been said, ALPA is not really ONE union. It's an association of separate unions. Each individual MEC decides what they want or don't want to negotiate for. As for lobbying, the bigger the association, the more influence they exert. That's what there are associations of almost everything special interest you can think of. And corporations hire K street lobbyist in order to exert their influence as well. Without ALPA, things would be way worse just because of this alone!
Semantics here, but for all intents and purposes, ALPA is an elitist association of smaller associations. A real Union acts in solidarity with other trades and most pilots are too selfish to do such. There is plenty wrong with Teamsters national, but at least they support other trades.
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