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CLT Guy 01-07-2016 02:51 PM


Originally Posted by N927EV (Post 2042141)
700s are staying around longer, through 2018 for now, maybe even longer.

No one really knows what is going to happen with Envoy's 700's. They might come to PSA, they might not. Either way, it won't matter. Envoy had some sort of announcement that they were staying longer than planned, but AAG and PSA have said that they are not.

I know that if the 700's come to PSA, that will leave the opportunity for more of the Embraer flying to be moved from other carriers to Envoy, which would be good for Envoy and AAG as a whole. Envoy will likely be able to operate them more efficiently and cheaper at this point. It is doubtful that Republic will be able to rebound from their current situation.

Also, the movement of 700's from Envoy to PSA will save the company millions of dollars in training and maintenance. I can not see why they would be delayed a minute longer than they need to be, provided PSA can staff them (which is still to be seen).

Personally, I would like the 700's to stay at Envoy. I think that they should stay at Envoy or move to a mainline certificate (right after the 175's and 900's are moved to mainline). Shuffling them from one regional to another is just rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic. Let this damn regional system sink already and lets get on with it.

minimwage4 01-07-2016 02:54 PM


Originally Posted by CBreezy (Post 2042143)
Trans States still has 13 more -145s to receive by August.

We won't be able to staff them if they're still coming. We only have about 500 pilots, maybe less.

N927EV 01-07-2016 03:00 PM


Originally Posted by CLT Guy (Post 2042173)
No one really knows what is going to happen with Envoy's 700's. They might come to PSA, they might not. Either way, it won't matter. Envoy had some sort of announcement that they were staying longer than planned, but AAG and PSA have said that they are not.

I know that if the 700's come to PSA, that will leave the opportunity for more of the Embraer flying to be moved from other carriers to Envoy, which would be good for Envoy and AAG as a whole. Envoy will likely be able to operate them more efficiently and cheaper at this point. It is doubtful that Republic will be able to rebound from their current situation.

Also, the movement of 700's from Envoy to PSA will save the company millions of dollars in training and maintenance. I can not see why they would be delayed a minute longer than they need to be, provided PSA can staff them (which is still to be seen).

Personally, I would like the 700's to stay at Envoy. I think that they should stay at Envoy or move to a mainline certificate (right after the 175's and 900's are moved to mainline). Shuffling them from one regional to another is just rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic. Let this damn regional system sink already and lets get on with it.

Yup, agreed. I think they all will go to PSA eventually. Just on hold right now while you guys continue accepting more 900s. Right now we're being told for the "indefinite future." Still putting new hires in it, ordering parts, training new instructors, etc. I think 2018 has been thrown around. I'm sure you guys can attest how much AAG changes their plans too.

Planedrive 01-07-2016 03:15 PM


Originally Posted by minimwage4 (Post 2042176)
We won't be able to staff them if they're still coming. We only have about 500 pilots, maybe less.

I have been wondering the same thing.

chrisreedrules 01-07-2016 03:20 PM

PSA is still growing by a lot. They want to add 500 more pilots this year, and 500 more in 2017. The Envoy 700s are still coming is what we have been told, even if it means parking 200s (which it isn't looking like we will have to for a while if at all). Was at th training center today, 20 new hire FOs in the first class of the new year and saw about 7 or 8 interviewing today.

N927EV 01-07-2016 03:24 PM

Commutair is growing substantially.

CLT Guy 01-07-2016 03:30 PM


Originally Posted by N927EV (Post 2042181)
Yup, agreed. I think they all will go to PSA eventually. Just on hold right now while you guys continue accepting more 900s. Right now we're being told for the "indefinite future." Still putting new hires in it, ordering parts, training new instructors, etc. I think 2018 has been thrown around. I'm sure you guys can attest how much AAG changes their plans too.

It is doubtful that PSA will be able to staff unless the company makes some drastic changes. But, for now, the last 2 classes have had decent numbers in them. The last class of December had 18 new hires (1 being an instructor, 17 FO's). The first class this year has something like 18 in it as well (waiting for them to hit the seniority list to confirm). If we are able to hire 18 per class every 2 weeks, that would be over 936 hew hires in the next year, but no one thinks that will continue.

CBreezy 01-07-2016 03:32 PM


Originally Posted by minimwage4 (Post 2042176)
We won't be able to staff them if they're still coming. We only have about 500 pilots, maybe less.

No one can staff growth right now without incentives

ArcherDvr 01-07-2016 04:00 PM


Originally Posted by N927EV (Post 2042193)
Commutair is growing substantially.

The promise of a flow will work wonders.

Wink 01-07-2016 04:38 PM


Originally Posted by ArcherDvr (Post 2042223)
The promise of a flow will work wonders.

Are you insinuating that Commutair pilots will NOT get the opportunity to flow? And if so, what leads you to believe that?

Commutair is offering interviewees to do their CPP interview before stepping on property, so i don't see a point in doing that if they didn't intend on letting that applicant flow if they're number is called and they have built the required time.


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