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Originally Posted by eaglefly (Post 2052828)

If only. :cool:

The feeble validation of the Protected Pilot Agreement was at the expense of the crown jewel of your contract, that being transfer rights with aircraft handed over on a silver platter for what essentially is a large slice of Swiss cheese. Virtually EVERYTHING you had or could do was founded on that single point of leverage.

This statement of yours explains very much why so many present Envoy pilots have deluded themselves about their futures and the risks therein and that is because they get an "F" in history for making no effort to learn it or ditching class to pick up babes and get loaded.

Sorry eaglefly, PSA pilots didn't take a single concession for our flow. I'm referring to the latest TA, not the 2014 TA.

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Originally Posted by eaglefly (Post 2052832)

Perhaps, but Envoy has hundreds of $120,000/year captains and you can be SURE that will indeed be corrected within 12-18 months. Either take the flow in the "new" carrier or accept 12th year scale. Of course, the third option is to hit the bricks.

Parker isn't going to leave good money on the table that is a complete waste when it can easily be recouped. Envoy ALPA will take the lessor of two evils, but first Envoy ALPA will be reshaped with a new leadership when the present one goes to AA. Got to get them there within the timeline and so the flow for the 824 will move on at a good clip barring the unforeseen. Since Envoy will never get that many pilots there, it will contract and upgrades will continue at a "trickle" as one union rep said.

I think all of the AAG wholly-owneds will have trouble filling classes by the summer. I'm curious to see what the solution will be.

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Originally Posted by chrisreedrules (Post 2052845)

Sorry eaglefly, PSA pilots didn't take a single concession for our flow. I'm referring to the latest TA, not the 2014 TA.

Sorry, my error. I thought you were one of the Envoy pilots here making false claims. It's gotten so bad with some of them, I can't tell everyone apart all the time. You earn one "kick eaglefly for free" card to use at your leisure. ;)

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Originally Posted by chrisreedrules (Post 2052850)

I think all of the AAG wholly-owneds will have trouble filling classes by the summer. I'm curious to see what the solution will be.

Yes, it is an industry issue and the resources simply aren't there and are dwindling fast, with the worst yet to come. I think that's why some carriers (and certain pilots there tasked to do that) are basically saying just about anything to convince the few pilots out there why they should come to their airline.

Beggars can't be choosers.

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Originally Posted by eaglefly (Post 2052857)

That's the real kicker... 2016 will be bad enough. 2017? Who knows what will happen...

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Originally Posted by FlameNSky (Post 2052031)

Do you mean the contract that PSA pilots (as a group) were tripping over themselves anxious to undercut all others in order to achieve exponential growth and guarantee interviews? (at the time, they later took more concessions for a direct flow)

What concessions did we take for the flow????

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Originally Posted by chrisreedrules (Post 2052850)

I'm curious to see what the solution will be.

They should do what United is doing. Buy more jets, park RJs and take the flying back to mainline.

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Originally Posted by Swedish Blender (Post 2052972)

They should do what United is doing. Buy more jets, park RJs and take the flying back to mainline.

Somehow, I don't think that is what AAG plans unfortunately. They aren't that "forward thinking". Always stepping over a dollar to pick up a dime is the new American way.

Warning to new hires

People are attempting to confuse two issues.

A pilot group took a new contract to get additional aircraft with the knowledge that many "new" aircraft would come from another carrier. That same contact had provisions that demanded concessions from other employees at their own airline in order to realize all the benefits of said new contract.

The new flow is not part of the contract that cut the legs out from under everyone else and sealed the fate of "race to the bottom".

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Originally Posted by AdiosMikeFox (Post 2053337)

You really are out of touch. And just plain bitter, so it makes sense for you to always lash out in your posts towards PSA. The contract that was voted in was for the 900s. Which btw planes had been turned down before until the union told the pilot group that that was likely the last time the company was going to come back to the table. The "new" 700s that you talk of had nothing to do with pilots at all. And was in fact, a move made by AAG to try to get its carriers flying one aircraft type. Those aircraft were never wanted by the pilots, and have actually been giving us a headache from us doing everything we are to help management out from their horrific planning and mindset of how the growth should happen. But you just enjoy putting PSA down so if you aren't interested in these facts, then continue making yourself look like a fool.