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joek 01-21-2016 05:50 PM


Originally Posted by FlameNSky (Post 2052031)
Do you mean the contract that PSA pilots (as a group) were tripping over themselves anxious to undercut all others in order to achieve exponential growth and guarantee interviews? (at the time, they later took more concessions for a direct flow)

What concessions did we take for the flow?

chrisreedrules 01-21-2016 07:59 PM


Originally Posted by joek (Post 2052530)
What concessions did we take for the flow?

Absolutely zero to be exact.

FlameNSky 01-22-2016 06:15 AM


Originally Posted by FirstClass (Post 2052458)
Absolutely. We are currently examining how we can also now fly the ERJs as well. We have more to give to get the flying. Envoy WILL be destroyed.

I would expect nothing less out of you. Hopefully, when you get over to AA, the men will show you how to stand up for yourself and have a little self respect.

FourPutt 01-22-2016 06:45 AM

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chrisreedrules 01-22-2016 06:46 AM


Originally Posted by FourPutt (Post 2052784)

Very outdated info...

deltajuliet 01-22-2016 06:49 AM

Compass has a junior workforce, but how is GoJet so low?

Avroman 01-22-2016 06:51 AM

aren't Shuttle and Republic the same pilot seniority list and contract (and Chautauqua no longer exists)?

FourPutt 01-22-2016 06:57 AM


Originally Posted by chrisreedrules (Post 2052785)
Very outdated info...

It is still relevant with with our current contract showing PSA is far from anything even close to "dragging down the industry."

eaglefly 01-22-2016 07:29 AM


Originally Posted by chrisreedrules (Post 2052621)
Absolutely zero to be exact.

If only. :cool:

The feeble validation of the Protected Pilot Agreement was at the expense of the crown jewel of your contract, that being transfer rights with aircraft handed over on a silver platter for what essentially is a large slice of Swiss cheese. Virtually EVERYTHING you had or could do was founded on that single point of leverage.

This statement of yours explains very much why so many present Envoy pilots have deluded themselves about their futures and the risks therein and that is because they get an "F" in history for making no effort to learn it or ditching class to pick up babes and get loaded.

eaglefly 01-22-2016 07:34 AM


Originally Posted by chrisreedrules (Post 2052785)
Very outdated info...

Perhaps, but Envoy has hundreds of $120,000/year captains and you can be SURE that will indeed be corrected within 12-18 months. Either take the flow in the "new" carrier or accept 12th year scale. Of course, the third option is to hit the bricks.

Parker isn't going to leave good money on the table that is a complete waste when it can easily be recouped. Envoy ALPA will take the lessor of two evils, but first Envoy ALPA will be reshaped with a new leadership when the present one goes to AA. Got to get them there within the timeline and so the flow for the 824 will move on at a good clip barring the unforeseen. Since Envoy will never get that many pilots there, it will contract and upgrades will continue at a "trickle" as one union rep said.


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