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minimwage4 01-22-2016 11:30 AM


Originally Posted by CBreezy (Post 2052928)
That's false. Deliveries are as scheduled until August. Our completion factor has been right around goal and our hiring has been steady and increased. They wouldn't cancel deliveries. Your sources are incorrect.

Don't know about increased hiring. We've been at 500 pilots for about 12+ months now. No way to staff any more flying. We need more incentives to attract people, everyone is offering short upgrades now. We either need brand new 70 seaters or some kind of hiring agreement.

Nevets 01-22-2016 12:20 PM


Originally Posted by CBreezy (Post 2052928)
That's false. Deliveries are as scheduled until August. Our completion factor has been right around goal and our hiring has been steady and increased. They wouldn't cancel deliveries. Your sources are incorrect.


Like I said, it's a rumor. But it's only a rumor because it hasn't been made public.;)


Originally Posted by Mercyful Fate (Post 2052929)
ALPA to the rescue!! You are good, no need for a plan B. Makes you feel all warm and fuzzy about all that money you have sunk into that union of yours, huh?


ALPA is doing great! More jobs at mainline where total compensation is much higher is 100% the right direction to take things. Of course, there will always be regional airlines to fly some 200s to Minot and Podunk. So no need to worry about your Skywest going anywhere. Anyone with a plan b of going to mainline will be ok. But it's always good to have plan c outside the industry. That's what gives me the warm fuzzy feeling, not having all my eggs in the regional basket.


Originally Posted by FourPutt (Post 2052934)
They said they are parking 100 E145s through 2019, with TSA having about 50, Commutair getting 40, and the SkyWest United CRJ200s that is all the 50 seat RJs United will have after 2019.


Ok, I see what you mean. Our management says they are making good progress of extending our current fleet of 145s through 2019. But I won't believe it until it's in an SEC filing.

Hou757 01-22-2016 12:33 PM


Originally Posted by Nevets (Post 2052923)
TSA was supposed to get 36. I've heard rumors that they are not going to take all of them now. Commutair is scheduled to get 40. UAL just said that they plan to park about half of the 50 seaters they have now. That leaves about the 125 scope choke that UALPA has in their contract.

Have heard this from several folks as well. As you said, not made public yet so I guess we shall see.

24/48 01-22-2016 01:31 PM


Originally Posted by Washout (Post 2052799)
United is still in the market for 100 seat aircraft. What else does your crystal ball say..?

Not sure what his crystal ball says, but mine says UAX will be at 250-300 hulls in the next 5 years. Mostly of the 70/76 seat variety. Next up for UAL, since our TA passed this morning, will be securing a 100 seat jet with an announcement sometime in '16. For you regional ALPA pilot groups flying UAX, I would expect to see deals worked out a'la Commutair in the near future. We currently have 12,500 pilots and the company wants to be at 16,000 by 2020.

chrisreedrules 01-22-2016 03:40 PM


Originally Posted by 24/48 (Post 2053168)
Not sure what his crystal ball says, but mine says UAX will be at 250-300 hulls in the next 5 years. Mostly of the 70/76 seat variety. Next up for UAL, since our TA passed this morning, will be securing a 100 seat jet with an announcement sometime in '16. For you regional ALPA pilot groups flying UAX, I would expect to see deals worked out a'la Commutair in the near future. We currently have 12,500 pilots and the company wants to be at 16,000 by 2020.

Every regional will eventually have some sort of deal for a preferential interview or flow to a mainline partner... The problem is, what happens when by the end of 2016 and into 2017 when there are even less pilots coming to regionals?

WesternSkies 01-22-2016 07:19 PM


Originally Posted by chrisreedrules (Post 2052844)
I'm admittedly not very familiar with the UAL regional ops... Why would SkyWest lose the 700s over Mesa or GoJet?

Skyw had even more 700s than posted above come off contract for United at the end of 2015. They could easy be all SKYW planes getting parked. Most of them are still flying on short term extensions for United, while a few will be rebranded for American flying.
I'm guessing United wants to keep some around on a short leash so a.) They want to see how staffing shakes down and b.) they may be playing plane-and-pilot keep away from their competition.

waker92 01-22-2016 08:05 PM

Excuse my ignorance... XLJET? What's that?

minimwage4 01-22-2016 11:20 PM


Originally Posted by chrisreedrules (Post 2053260)
Every regional will eventually have some sort of deal for a preferential interview or flow to a mainline partner... The problem is, what happens when by the end of 2016 and into 2017 when there are even less pilots coming to regionals?

They'll just reduce flying, it will be like Great Lakes.

minimwage4 01-22-2016 11:28 PM


Originally Posted by 24/48 (Post 2053168)
Not sure what his crystal ball says, but mine says UAX will be at 250-300 hulls in the next 5 years. Mostly of the 70/76 seat variety. Next up for UAL, since our TA passed this morning, will be securing a 100 seat jet with an announcement sometime in '16. For you regional ALPA pilot groups flying UAX, I would expect to see deals worked out a'la Commutair in the near future. We currently have 12,500 pilots and the company wants to be at 16,000 by 2020.

I honestly think preferential interviews won't solve anything, not many want to do this job anymore. I think we were the last gen that grew up thinking being an airline pilot is cool. It's not even a highly rated job anymore in career rankings. They'll get coverage for sure but not what they would like.

JohnnyDingus 01-23-2016 04:33 AM


Originally Posted by minimwage4 (Post 2053051)
Don't know about increased hiring. We've been at 500 pilots for about 12+ months now. No way to staff any more flying. We need more incentives to attract people, everyone is offering short upgrades now. We either need brand new 70 seaters or some kind of hiring agreement.

What do you mean everyone is offering short upgrades??Is xjt, RAH, Envoy, AWAC, or Skywest all quick upgrades?


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