Quickest flow to American?
02-17-2016 | 07:30 PM
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These graphs don't tell the whole story. I'm all for all that extra money, but if it means you have to be at a contract airline 5 years longer because it takes longer to upgrade or some other circumstance, then your total compensation in pay and benefits will not be high as someone who went to the major leagues 5 years before you. At age 65, those extra 5 years in the big leagues probably means a million dollars extra.
02-17-2016 | 08:26 PM
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Quickest flow to American?
These graphs don't tell the whole story. I'm all for all that extra money, but if it means you have to be at a contract airline 5 years longer because it takes longer to upgrade or some other circumstance, then your total compensation in pay and benefits will not be high as someone who went to the major leagues 5 years before you. At age 65, those extra 5 years in the big leagues probably means a million dollars extra.
Upgrade times are going to be fast everywhere with the amount of people moving to the majors, and faster for those companies that can fill vacancies and stay adequately staffed. As endeavor has shown, the best way to do that right now is NOT with flow agreements, but with better pay. I don't see how that's not the whole story or how you could possibly end up staying 5 years longer at endeavor over a contact carrier
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02-18-2016 | 03:51 AM
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And I tend to strongly agree with this:
Upgrade times are going to be fast everywhere with the amount of people moving to the majors, and faster for those companies that can fill vacancies and stay adequately staffed. As endeavor has shown, the best way to do that right now is NOT with flow agreements, but with better pay. I don't see how that's not the whole story or how you could possibly end up staying 5 years longer at endeavor over a contact carrier
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It's already old data, though. I just read that ExpressJet also raised first year pay to $40/hr. Maybe we will try to keep it updated and repost as the landscape changes. It would be great to see all the options get to at least industry standard soon.
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02-18-2016 | 06:49 AM
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02-18-2016 | 06:52 AM
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There is not a 16 year flow at Envoy right now. The projections and math have a new hire today upgrading in 2.5 years and flowing to AA in under 6. Remember, we are talking about today, not 16 years ago.
02-18-2016 | 06:55 AM
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The last person to flow from Envoy was employed there for 16 years right? If that's not true, maybe its down to 15?
02-18-2016 | 06:55 AM
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Your projections have already been debunked... By your own pilots. In your own thread.
02-18-2016 | 07:02 AM
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02-18-2016 | 07:14 AM
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Thanks Nevets. I'll update the graph. Not sure if I should include or not include the Skywest and Express Jet bonus then. I also heard GoJet pay increases are on the table? I don't know. I'll just make updates as I learn of them and maybe I'll post it again with changes periodically.
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