Quickest flow to American?
02-17-2016 | 06:02 AM
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The flows appear to be set up to roughly equal out between the AAG wholly owned carriers as time progresses. Right now Envoy has the best numbers (even with management's screwing with it), but those numbers are set to decline per our contract. PDT's looks good, but has fewer flows. Theirs is set to increase.
Whatever choice they make, don't count on the flow.
Whatever choice they make, don't count on the flow.
02-17-2016 | 06:24 AM
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Exactly this!
If I were mentoring pilots at this point, I would recommend Endeavor as a first step. Work there at a decent wage until you have about 800hrs 121 and then move to whatever company has the shortest upgrade at that time. It will take 18-24 months to accrue 1000hr 121 time, why spend anymore of that time at poverty wages than you have to?
Using a flow or any incentive that is more than 2-3 years in the future in the airline industry is poor career planning.
Career progression is currently similar at all the regionals therefor choose an airline based on Domicile, Pay/work rules, and lifestyle/commute.
Why risk a 2 leg commute to a low paid regional for a flow that may or may not be available after the 8+ years it will take you to reach it?
If I were mentoring pilots at this point, I would recommend Endeavor as a first step. Work there at a decent wage until you have about 800hrs 121 and then move to whatever company has the shortest upgrade at that time. It will take 18-24 months to accrue 1000hr 121 time, why spend anymore of that time at poverty wages than you have to?
Using a flow or any incentive that is more than 2-3 years in the future in the airline industry is poor career planning.
Career progression is currently similar at all the regionals therefor choose an airline based on Domicile, Pay/work rules, and lifestyle/commute.
Why risk a 2 leg commute to a low paid regional for a flow that may or may not be available after the 8+ years it will take you to reach it?
02-17-2016 | 07:14 AM
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I think the posters hit it on the head. Work on building your qualifications that will make you competitive for jobs and not focus on a flow.
If the flow goes away and you have zero qualifications you will get stuck.
If the flow goes away and you have zero qualifications you will get stuck.
02-17-2016 | 07:20 AM
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A flow is an insurance policy, nothing more. We all have house, health, and life insurance so why not have a legacy airline insurance too? You might never get an interview at AA on your own and if you do you very well might not get hired and have to settle for an LCC or being a regional lifer. The flow at all 3 will be about the same for someone hired today so go the place with the easiest commute and work on getting hired at another legacy until you flow. I know the common thought is that everyone will get a legacy job in the next 10 years but that is not the reality, many will not get an interview or get the TBNT and be stuck on the outside. There are a lot of people at Delta UAL and AA that now have a job because of a flow that woud have never been hired otherwise.
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