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FirstClass 03-01-2016 12:15 PM


Originally Posted by Waitingformins (Post 2079589)
Europe goes on strike every other weekend, and there is nothing better about their airline jobs.

This is America. We can have anything we want if the right pressure is applied. But you have to be a willing participant and not just talk out both sides of your face (not you personally).

272922 03-01-2016 12:56 PM


Originally Posted by FirstClass (Post 2079566)
They simply couldn't show that the union did enough to stop it. They needed to be more aggressive. Wink wink nod nod.

What if there was no union, then what....

No idea.

But at a minimum you're probably out of a job.

Look, like I said earlier, better the devil we know than the one influenced by corporate lobbyists, because I can guarantee you that if you want to crack the egg known as the RLA that labor isn't going to be the only one with a voice at the table.

In any event, the state of regional contracts in years past has nothing to do with the RLA. No one has yet answered my question about how many customers mainline has vs your regional, and how that affects your contract.

galaxy flyer 03-01-2016 02:29 PM

FirstClass,

Pilots aren't weak, but their negotiating leverage sure is. Seniority precludes pilots walking away because they cannot afford to start over. A 10-year pilot Taking a 20% pay cut for a contract period is better than going to the bottom of another seniority list. Golden handcuffs.

GF

FirstClass 03-01-2016 02:49 PM


Originally Posted by 272922 (Post 2079615)
No idea.

But at a minimum you're probably out of a job.

Half the pilot group?


Originally Posted by 272922 (Post 2079615)

Look, like I said earlier, better the devil we know than the one influenced by corporate lobbyists, because I can guarantee you that if you want to crack the egg known as the RLA that labor isn't going to be the only one with a voice at the table.

I don't have time to crack the RLA, I couldn't care less about the RLA and neither should you.


Originally Posted by 272922 (Post 2079615)

In any event, the state of regional contracts in years past has nothing to do with the RLA. No one has yet answered my question about how many customers mainline has vs your regional, and how that affects your contract.

I don't understand your question there, but "regional" flying is roughly 1/2 of all departures. I rather call it contract flying not regional flying.

FirstClass 03-01-2016 02:51 PM


Originally Posted by galaxy flyer (Post 2079732)
FirstClass,

Pilots aren't weak, but their negotiating leverage sure is. Seniority precludes pilots walking away because they cannot afford to start over. A 10-year pilot Taking a 20% pay cut for a contract period is better than going to the bottom of another seniority list. Golden handcuffs.

GF

Maybe in the past, but not today. Pilot's need to take advantage of the opportunities that present themselves today. It's a pilots market, its being wasted. The ideal situation is the contract airlines simply become to expensive to operate and mainline brings all the flying back in house. One can only hope that their airline goes out of business.

272922 03-01-2016 02:55 PM


Originally Posted by FirstClass (Post 2079757)
Half the pilot group?

You should go read up on the Continental strike.


I don't have time to crack the RLA, I couldn't care less about the RLA and neither should you.
You want to play the rancoteur on PSA / Envoy threads, be my guest. You want to spout off on Federal Law, well, hopefully no one follows your advice.


I don't understand your question there, but "regional" flying is roughly 1/2 of all departures. I rather call it contract flying not regional flying.
I'll spell it out for you. AAG has hundreds of millions of customers. Your employer has exactly one. That fact alone has more to do with the state of your contract that the RLA.

FirstClass 03-01-2016 03:06 PM


Originally Posted by 272922 (Post 2079770)
You should go read up on the Continental strike.


You want to play the rancoteur on PSA / Envoy threads, be my guest. You want to spout off on Federal Law, well, hopefully no one follows your advice.


I'll spell it out for you. AAG has hundreds of millions of customers. Your employer has exactly one. That fact alone has more to do with the state of your contract that the RLA.

Who said anything about a strike? I'm talking about a loose knit group of like minded pilots operating on their own applying needed pressures while the airline continues to operate. Said pressures can simply be applied by doing your job extremely well and enjoying your time off to the maximum.

272922 03-01-2016 03:15 PM


Originally Posted by FirstClass (Post 2079778)
Who said anything about a strike? I'm talking about a loose knit group of like minded pilots operating on their own applying needed pressures while the airline continues to operate. Said pressures can simply be applied by doing your job extremely well and enjoying your time off to the maximum.

And again, slow downs, sick outs, everyone writing up everything in outstations, everyone all of a sudden SAPing to 65, etc, beyond the established status quo can be construed as an illegal job action and will be met with action in Federal Court. Your union leaders would bear the brunt of it, and also has the responsibility of stopping it.

But instead, you could just pull your head out of your posterior and realize that the current market forces are most likely going to get you want, and you can avoid the whole sending your MEC to Federal Court thing.

But that wouldn't be as cool, I know.

Is offline 03-01-2016 03:25 PM


Originally Posted by 272922 (Post 2079791)
And again, slow downs, sick outs, everyone writing up everything in outstations, everyone all of a sudden SAPing to 65, etc, beyond the established status quo can be construed as an illegal job action and will be met with action in Federal Court. Your union leaders would bear the brunt of it, and also has the responsibility of stopping it.

But instead, you could just pull your head out of your posterior and realize that the current market forces are most likely going to get you want, and you can avoid the whole sending your MEC to Federal Court thing.

But that wouldn't be as cool, I know.

Dude, they can't even find Hillary's emails! You think the Feds are gonna drag a pilot in for illegal job action? You are special.

272922 03-01-2016 03:32 PM


Originally Posted by Is offline (Post 2079805)
Dude, they can't even find Hillary's emails! You think the Feds are gonna drag a pilot in for illegal job action? You are special.

They don't need emails. They need to demonstrate a change in status quo.

And please show me where I said pilots. They go after the union and its officials.


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